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story telling

Post by noise_Tests » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am

i was reading an american poet's prose -- david antin -- "famous" for 'talk poems' -- using the rhythms of prose speech to construct these slightly absurdist and everyday narratives about his life. anyway, he makes the distinction between narrative -- which makes sense and is radically coherent -- and story: a clearly articulated series of events.

i tried thinking this through, not so much playing as a bit of wiggling and thinking, and reckon that emphasis -- on just a story -- might make for something which is in a live setting more raw as a performance -- so not what you're using but what you're doing, the performer's movements.

i think poetry may be a great untapped resource for noise, tbh.
When it breaks, that's it – over; it's meaningless.
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Re: story telling

Post by cleverbot » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am

noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am
i was reading an american poet's prose -- david antin -- "famous" for 'talk poems' -- using the rhythms of prose speech to construct these slightly absurdist and everyday narratives about his life. anyway, he makes the distinction between narrative -- which makes sense and is radically coherent -- and story: a clearly articulated series of events.

i tried thinking this through, not so much playing as a bit of wiggling and thinking, and reckon that emphasis -- on just a story -- might make for something which is in a live setting more raw as a performance -- so not what you're using but what you're doing, the performer's movements.

i think poetry may be a great untapped resource for noise, tbh.

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Re: story telling

Post by jliat » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:51 am

noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am
i was reading an american poet's prose -- david antin -- "famous" for 'talk poems' -- using the rhythms of prose speech to construct these slightly absurdist and everyday narratives about his life. anyway, he makes the distinction between narrative -- which makes sense and is radically coherent -- and story: a clearly articulated series of events.

i tried thinking this through, not so much playing as a bit of wiggling and thinking, and reckon that emphasis -- on just a story -- might make for something which is in a live setting more raw as a performance -- so not what you're using but what you're doing, the performer's movements.

i think poetry may be a great untapped resource for noise, tbh.
I think this is more an example of words having to have things, when in my opinion it should be the other way around.

What about a "Yarn" or "tale"
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Re: story telling

Post by noise_Tests » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:55 am

jliat wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:51 am
noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am
i was reading an american poet's prose -- david antin -- "famous" for 'talk poems' -- using the rhythms of prose speech to construct these slightly absurdist and everyday narratives about his life. anyway, he makes the distinction between narrative -- which makes sense and is radically coherent -- and story: a clearly articulated series of events.

i tried thinking this through, not so much playing as a bit of wiggling and thinking, and reckon that emphasis -- on just a story -- might make for something which is in a live setting more raw as a performance -- so not what you're using but what you're doing, the performer's movements.

i think poetry may be a great untapped resource for noise, tbh.
I think this is more an example of words having to have things, when in my opinion it should be the other way around.

What about a "Yarn" or "tale"
well, he means they both make sense, but a narrative makes sense to [of?] a subject -- which has a stake in the events
When it breaks, that's it – over; it's meaningless.
A 20 minute conversation – dragged out over 12 months
– then taken into the air.

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Re: story telling

Post by cleverbot » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:56 am

noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:55 am
jliat wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:51 am
noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am
i was reading an american poet's prose -- david antin -- "famous" for 'talk poems' -- using the rhythms of prose speech to construct these slightly absurdist and everyday narratives about his life. anyway, he makes the distinction between narrative -- which makes sense and is radically coherent -- and story: a clearly articulated series of events.

i tried thinking this through, not so much playing as a bit of wiggling and thinking, and reckon that emphasis -- on just a story -- might make for something which is in a live setting more raw as a performance -- so not what you're using but what you're doing, the performer's movements.

i think poetry may be a great untapped resource for noise, tbh.
I think this is more an example of words having to have things, when in my opinion it should be the other way around.

What about a "Yarn" or "tale"
well, he means they both make sense, but a narrative makes sense to [of?] a subject -- which has a stake in the events

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Re: story telling

Post by noise_Tests » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:59 am

a protagonist e.g., whether or not its a lyric...

probably not noise, then.
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Re: story telling

Post by cleverbot » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:59 am

noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:59 am
a protagonist e.g., whether or not its a lyric...

probably not noise, then.

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Re: story telling

Post by jliat » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:08 am

noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am


i think poetry may be a great untapped resource for noise, tbh.
No. Poetry uses all the tropes that noise does not, its more hyper-linguistic and less arbitrary than speech, or gossip.

Unless you record the sound of tearing up some poem!
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Re: story telling

Post by noise_Tests » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

jliat wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:08 am
noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am


i think poetry may be a great untapped resource for noise, tbh.
No. Poetry uses all the tropes that noise does not, its more hyper-linguistic and less arbitrary than speech, or gossip.

Unless you record the sound of tearing up some poem!
hey -- you draw from conceptual poetry?

i don't mean actual poems themselves ha -- at all.
When it breaks, that's it – over; it's meaningless.
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– then taken into the air.

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Re: story telling

Post by cleverbot » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am
jliat wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:08 am
noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am


i think poetry may be a great untapped resource for noise, tbh.
No. Poetry uses all the tropes that noise does not, its more hyper-linguistic and less arbitrary than speech, or gossip.

Unless you record the sound of tearing up some poem!
hey -- you draw from conceptual poetry?

i don't mean actual poems themselves ha -- at all.

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Re: story telling

Post by jliat » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:35 am

noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

hey -- you draw from conceptual poetry?
No.
noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

i don't mean actual poems themselves ha -- at all.
What then do you mean?
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Re: story telling

Post by noise_Tests » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:36 am

jliat wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:35 am
noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

hey -- you draw from conceptual poetry?
No.
noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

i don't mean actual poems themselves ha -- at all.
What then do you mean?
you know like uhh poetics.
When it breaks, that's it – over; it's meaningless.
A 20 minute conversation – dragged out over 12 months
– then taken into the air.

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Re: story telling

Post by cleverbot » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:36 am

noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:36 am
jliat wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:35 am
noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

hey -- you draw from conceptual poetry?
No.
noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

i don't mean actual poems themselves ha -- at all.
What then do you mean?
you know like uhh poetics.

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Re: story telling

Post by noise_Tests » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:36 am

No
well, you reference it -- seem to draw parallels -- etc..
When it breaks, that's it – over; it's meaningless.
A 20 minute conversation – dragged out over 12 months
– then taken into the air.

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Re: story telling

Post by cleverbot » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:37 am

noise_Tests wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:36 am
No
well, you reference it -- seem to draw parallels -- etc..

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