the pyramid: stairway to heaven

[WhiteWarlock]

if eye actually cared about your criteria & critiques
then would send you PM with more info
for getting your feedback on current projects
yet honestly don't need or want your input
once again here we are
same boring shit with you in another thread
personally eye have already played the 6 degrees
verification noise scene game here with people via pm
(insider info/experiences/circles that can not be faked)
you are sort of a noise scene farce in some ways
not really an insult
merely stating what should be obvious by now
whatever
stop shitting in threads

[killing raven sun]

I'm not the one obsessing -

hmm, lets see, 99% of your posts here are focused on me, so yep, everyone who reads your posting knows you are obsessed with taking me out, you are jealous that an uneducated american hick knows way more than you on any given subject

your last 'noise' piece 5 years ago... the ONLY piece, and titled "Responses to JLIAT"..

hilarious how important you think you are, you dont even follow releases, how would you know what names i use? how would you know what sub genre i am working in? HNW? ambient, harsh noise? drone, glitch, pe, industrial? you dont know shit about anything, stop pretending to be informed

AS I said i'm not the one making free Bandcamp noise pieces "Responses to JLIAT" - the only work you will own up to making!

what a stupid prick you are! why do you think things dont exist just because you dont know of them? are you that important to yourself?

I try my best to communicate some ideas, but yes some refuse to understand.

well, you are pretty demented, all the half formed sentences are difficult to parse, but i totally understand why a loon like you would blame others for your inability to communicate properly

But this is their condition. I'm aware of that.

more half thoughts couched in a sentence form, yeah, its the others fault

You care so much you are fuming with rage it seems and of course your only release you own up to was "Responses to JLIAT"
so without JLIAT - you would have produced zero noise...

really? is this your best comeback? you self deprecate at my expense? do you even know what planet youre on? do you believe your own nonsense? you dont even understand why i made that track do you? nope, didnt think so

You've said this over but its you who needs JLIAT to respond to...

aww, hey thats cute! does that make you feel important? that someone acknowledged you once years ago? hold on to that moment in the fading light

Thanks for spotting the typo. And its probably a good thing that no one else is probably reading this, but in the off chance.

uh, these threads get read, buy a clue already, is there anything you understand?

If one sets out to make art / music and present it to others the first thing to be aware of is not beiong afraid, and not to be embarssed.

nice self directed pep talk, but in reality when setting out to make art an artist determines the message they wish to convey, no real artist ever concerns themself with the opinions of others, but not being an artist yourself leaves you a little confused, thats understandable

Self respect also is more likely the general respect from others.

well, keep trying to nail down what it means to you and maybe you will figure it out

In the main one is ignored.

wow, lucky you, maybe its because you are a doosh, me on the other hand, i am constantly surrounded by adoring people, no matter what i do i get kudos, noise, glass, baking, gardening, teaching, i even do my best to avoid accolades and they find me through the wife and friends, it gets annoying having fans, they all have so many expectations and want me to fulfill them

So my advice is to ignore all this and keep producing material. And eventually you might get some attention. Though not always good. And often quite surprisinbg vitrol from some. However they are often acting from some cause otherb than anything like a critique of actual work.

hmm, talking to yourself again?

And sadly forums like this often do have people who generally have no interest in noise or music, but need therapy. So dont get upset when they spew out personal abuse.

you arent that abusive

Of course one response is not to bother, quit, but that is precisely what they want.

yeah, you said before you wouldnt reply to me anymore because im abusive but that was more grandstanding from a doosh troll, you are just a poser, you dont have any choice but to come here and be my doggy, i own you

[WhiteWarlock]

some people are energetic/psychic/resource parasites....
it is unwise letting them in at any close proximity
because they SUCK

[jliat]

some people here have clue
we can use PM
wtf is your pussy problem with Power Electronics?!
as if you can even do vox
your noise career seems an excuse for avoiding such
then heady rhetoric as excuses why
maybe you should try it some time
not as if any less people will listen to your work

Please can we change the subject from ME. Despite what you and Daric think - its not a topic i'm particularly interested in talking about here.

I have no problem with power electronics. And there are forums out there where you can discuss that all you want. IMO the use of Nazi tropes, like the name Whitehouse suggests is part of an attempt to shock and outrage the establishment. But that done the establishment no longer cares. That some took the Nazi thing as more than that is funny. As you know Hitler rose to power by appealing to the middle classes and volk farmers... and you cant say it was anti intellectual, having Heidegger as one of its members.

By vox, you mean singing. There are quite a few in noise that do not use vocals. So again i'm unsure of your point. I have worked in other projects with the human voice. But the kind of vocals associated with the more 'metal' bands is not my scene.

Singing is for me miles away from the meaningless core of noise. Once again - i dont ask for your advice and the subject of me is not of interest.

[jliat]

so you aren't actually part of the "noise scene"?

I'm not sure of what you mean by 'noise scene'. I've had stuff on Rons RRR recycled and made comps with others... reviewed noise for Vital... been in contact with those using the term.. i expect will say that is not part of any scene.

Over to you for your part.

[jliat]

Now you can go into your full diatribe how NWW & Power Electronics isn't "noise" again
bloody hell
so lame

No point. You conflate the two. I have my ideas why, but you'd think i'm being personal. But i've had the conversation with others, noise is a genre as is PE. They have differences, but merge. And it is possible to frame criteria for noise which shows its difference. Again i've mentioned this before. Nick Collings work.

[jliat]

if eye actually cared about your criteria & critiques
then would send you PM with more info
for getting your feedback on current projects
yet honestly don't need or want your input
once again here we are
same boring shit with you in another thread
personally eye have already played the 6 degrees
verification noise scene game here with people via pm
(insider info/experiences/circles that can not be faked)
you are sort of a noise scene farce in some ways
not really an insult
merely stating what should be obvious by now
whatever
stop shitting in threads

In all honsety i would not respond. As i've said please change the subject from me.

[jliat]

I'm not the one obsessing -

hmm, lets see, 99% of your posts here are focused on me, so yep, everyone who reads your posting knows you are obsessed with taking me out, you are jealous that an uneducated american hick knows way more than you on any given subject

Well not 99% - I've had long posts with White Warlock as well as others. I doubt if anyone could be jealous of an uneducated hick who claims to know more about everything than anyone living, that they can astral project, etc. I do have a clue as to what they might think, but that's being personal. And as I said the WW - lets try to change the subject from me.

your last 'noise' piece 5 years ago... the ONLY piece, and titled "Responses to JLIAT"..

hilarious how important you think you are, you dont even follow releases, how would you know what names i use? how would you know what sub genre i am working in? HNW? ambient, harsh noise? drone, glitch, pe, industrial? you dont know shit about anything, stop pretending to be informed

I admit I don't know much about your work as like Warlock you keep it secret. And not knowing under what name you are working makes it impossible to follow you- its not Merzbow? So i'm not pretending to be informed, I haven't a clue what you are doing.

AS I said i'm not the one making free Bandcamp noise pieces "Responses to JLIAT" - the only work you will own up to making!

what a stupid prick you are! why do you think things dont exist just because you dont know of them? are you that important to yourself?

I'm not saying things don't exist, its just odd you chose to post a link to a work responding to JLIAT.

I try my best to communicate some ideas, but yes some refuse to understand.

well, you are pretty demented, all the half formed sentences are difficult to parse, but i totally understand why a loon like you would blame others for your inability to communicate properly

Of course you would understand - you've claimed knowledge of everything. Sure I have reasons why folks who think they will never die or have perfect knowledge might not be able to comprehend alternative ideas... but its not appropriate here.

But this is their condition. I'm aware of that.

more half thoughts couched in a sentence form, yeah, its the others fault

Now make up your mind, half thoughts half sentence. Its no fault of the others. Catholics think the Pope infallible, I doubt if any argument could repudiate that. It's akin to Pseudo Science. Faith over fact.

You care so much you are fuming with rage it seems and of course your only release you own up to was "Responses to JLIAT"
so without JLIAT - you would have produced zero noise...

really? is this your best comeback? you self deprecate at my expense? do you even know what planet youre on? do you believe your own nonsense? you dont even understand why i made that track do you? nope, didnt think so

I don't know why you made the track. I can imagine it wasn't from any good intention. Actually I don't care why - 5 years ago. Maybe I upset you?

You've said this over but its you who needs JLIAT to respond to...

aww, hey thats cute! does that make you feel important? that someone acknowledged you once years ago? hold on to that moment in the fading light

No it doesn't make me feel good. Its a bandcamp 5 years old - sorry but insignificant really. I mean how many millions of these free bandcamp posts are there. Most don't accept them for review these days.

Thanks for spotting the typo. And its probably a good thing that no one else is probably reading this, but in the off chance.

uh, these threads get read, buy a clue already, is there anything you understand?

The emboldened bit I don't get.

If one sets out to make art / music and present it to others the first thing to be aware of is not beiong afraid, and not to be embarssed.

nice self directed pep talk, but in reality when setting out to make art an artist determines the message they wish to convey, no real artist ever concerns themself with the opinions of others, but not being an artist yourself leaves you a little confused, thats understandable

Sometimes an artist can have a message sometimes not. As for your no real artist, that's wrong too. Vincent Van Gough famously wanted fame. And used the name Vincent because he thought potential American buyers would not be able to pronounce his surname. The being an artist or not is again not important in po-mo. Warhol - 'everyone famous for 15 minutes' etc.

Self respect also is more likely the general respect from others.

well, keep trying to nail down what it means to you and maybe you will figure it out

In the main one is ignored.

wow, lucky you, maybe its because you are a doosh, me on the other hand, i am constantly surrounded by adoring people, no matter what i do i get kudos, noise, glass, baking, gardening, teaching, i even do my best to avoid accolades and they find me through the wife and friends, it gets annoying having fans, they all have so many expectations and want me to fulfill them

I'm very pleased for you. Great- sometime ago I think you said you had no friends, hated people and had stopped glass blowing, but good to see you are out of that dark place.

So my advice is to ignore all this and keep producing material. And eventually you might get some attention. Though not always good. And often quite surprising vitriol from some. However they are often acting from some cause other than anything like a critique of actual work.

hmm, talking to yourself again?

And sadly forums like this often do have people who generally have no interest in noise or music, but need therapy. So dont get upset when they spew out personal abuse.

you arent that abusive

Yes I try not to be.

Of course one response is not to bother, quit, but that is precisely what they want.

yeah, you said before you wouldnt reply to me anymore because im abusive but that was more grandstanding from a doosh troll, you are just a poser, you dont have any choice but to come here and be my doggy, i own you

I think i said i wouldnt reply to your abuse. Your factual errors, pseudo science i will when i feel like doing so.

[WhiteWarlock]

someone like Jliat can put out releases onlie
and do reviews/critiques in fanzines
even write books
living on "noise forums" for years
without ever having played "noise show" anywhere ever
or even comprehend the phrase "noise scene"
plus what all that actually entails
SOB he won't even goto NWW show that is semi-local for him
BTW you don't pass my E-verify process...

[jliat]

someone like Jliat can put out releases onlie
and do reviews/critiques in fanzines
even write books
living on "noise forums" for years
without ever having played "noise show" anywhere ever
or even comprehend the phrase "noise scene"
plus what all that actually entails
SOB he won't even goto NWW show that is semi-local for him
BTW you don't pass my E-verify process...

Please tell me what is a 'noise show' and what is the 'noise' scene. You think Vomir likewise, not part of the 'noise scene'.
If you want to go to see NWW simply book a flight and do so yourself. I'm not interesrted in that genre of Pop Music.

[WhiteWarlock]

last time we checked you aren't "Vomir"
He has his own gimmick
at least he puts a shopping bag on his head for playing "noise shows"
you ever worn costumes playing "noise shows"?
honestly don't give a flying rats ass about Vomir
or that entire "new wave" that feeds into the entire process of dumbing down
on so many levels
but he sure can play some shit folk
Dgrade cultural marxism
yawn
there's more to life than being "one trick pony"
you can go paint yourself into corner
stop shitting in threads

[jliat]

last time we checked you aren't "Vomir"
He has his own gimmick
at least he puts a shopping bag on his head for playing "noise shows"

No i'm not. And they are not shopping bags. And the thing for him is that the audience put on the bags, do guess you never been to one of his performances. Shame.

you ever worn costumes playing "noise shows"?

No - that's entertainment and fluxus nonsense. Or Batman... The Beatles in MMT. Or Dada even - 100 years ago.

honestly don't give a flying rats ass about Vomir

Then you have no idea about noise. QED. His work was significant.

or that entire "new wave" that feeds into the entire process of dumbing down
on so many levels

new wave.? Sure its why Mattin and Ray Brassier got into noise.

but he sure can play some shit folk
Dgrade cultural marxism
yawn
there's more to life than being "one trick pony"
you can go paint yourself into corner
stop shitting in threads

Stop being the noise cop. You are a FAKE.

sorry re FAKE - second bottle of Merlot. cheers,
speak more in morning. Take Care.

[WhiteWarlock]

you are "The Fake"
the results from our network E-verify system
no wonder you breed so much animosity....
why don't you go find a better way for "fucking off"
seriously
Jim you are almost out of time
what have you accomplished
anything of real merit?

[WhiteWarlock]

answer us this...
for someone supposedly so smart why are you so fucking stupid?
not even really trying to be insulting
maybe it's in your operating system programming

[WhiteWarlock]