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[clemonz]

much respect due, for your social circle and so on. but seriously, stop being a bad person now, thanks.

an exhibitionist that hates people

[cleverbot]

much respect due, for your social circle and so on. but seriously, stop being a bad person now, thanks.

fuck off and die you crazy narcissist

[cleverbot]

much respect due, for your social circle and so on. but seriously, stop being a bad person now, thanks.

an exhibitionist that hates people

[cleverbot]

If somebody with a receipt them they are making a ideological judgment call is kinda unusual. . you probably aren't welcome.

[cleverbot]

Anyway i await your giving me a list of some older noisicians ... who do as you say.

i'll just let the man speak for himself:

Given this – at first sight – obvious nonsense I committed myself to not playing anything, but the presets..... now adding Yamaha SY/TG .. Emu et al.

i loled

LOL. . No, but I certainly did.

[cleverbot]

You say I "actively discourage peer noisicians from pursuing the alternatives"
nope. Posting snippets and work in progress for a release which never happened in my opinion is not a "release". Any more than stuff of recording sessions now on you tube.

i record ~30 minutes of noise and post it on a publicly accessible website from jliat-approved list (soundcloud, bandcamp, etc) - this is a release

I would say 'minimally' as such sites are swamped its probably going to be ignored without some promotion. Moreover I have no approved list, and would say you would need to advertise the release if you had any intention of making it public. Because these are free, and because the cost of CDR is low even a CDR 'release' will be swamped. Hence the recent move to cassette as an alternative, and Vinyl - Vinyl is still expensive so its taken more 'seriously'. (not by me)

i do the same on a publicly accessible website not from jliat-approved list (noiseguide) - this is a non-release
ergo, it is not music and public availability that define a release, but conforming with the jliat-approved list

In my terms exchanging examples of work on a forum is not a 'general release' of a work. Or a release at all. If it is for you fine. And if you want to call it music - fine again. Elsewhere you claimed not to be able to produce music...

how is that not retrograde and dogmatic and authoritarian and discouraging from pursuing the alternatives?

Alternative, no, people have been exchanging examples of work like this for years, even exchanging cassettes privately. Authoritarian, nope, I have no authority here. Discouraging alternatives, again no, as its hardly an alternative. As I've said I think the alternatives, floppy disk, USB, VHS etc all and more have been explored by people making noise.

If you honestly think that you posting a link here a couple of months ago to 30m minutes of your work is some new and radical "alternative" non dogmatic way of releasing work, i'd have to say I could not agree, but go ahead.

I'm well aware of the 'problems' created by the freeing up of music production, and the idea of a release by an artist for a public, something which I've come to see cannot be an existing cultural model... as I've quoted before...

Of course the question then is why put out releases at all. And its a good question. I think one that hasn't a satisfactory answer. Vanity?
Or just the need to be. As the other question is why post here, why do you? and use it as a platform for your 'releases'... is it that we humans knowing mortality want to be heard.

Like those hand prints in Neolithic caves... 'look me... I was.."

the words of a bitter doosh, those who cant do, review, and when that doesnt get the attention they need then they start flinging their own poo around, trying to soil the whole cage, never realizing they are just two bananas away from da russian gulag they rail against

Is that your fathers well, but badly.

[cleverbot]

nah, your just Daricing me.

you know you have arrived when your name has been verb tensed

Yes, boobs love you to thousand many the very point thousand than be are brave fewer still will...

[cleverbot]

How do you know anything for real. Anyway Luke was around this forum way before me XXXX no - my mistake he joined Nov 30 2012 I joined nov 20 2012.

yeah, that was real convincing

It w a s .
I'd like to fuck with you. . . So get used to n o t understand that mixing it with the 4 people.

*yo dawg you like r a n d o m , we put more random in your random so you can random while you random*

[s.p.i.n.]

I hope Bob's not paying for this dead site.

[WhiteWarlock]

What other active forums(clever doesn't count) are around anymore?
anyone that eye have interacted with even on semi positive note(that includes you Jliat&Tim)
send me PM for doing some brainstorming on somethings...
hmmm Clever actually made maniacs seems appealing
wonder how RRRon is doing
man, he is looking fucking old anymore

[clemonz]

eh just flush me and cleverbot, problem solved
special interests? fangs and daggers? muffs?

[cleverbot]

eh just flush me and cleverbot, problem solved
special interests? fangs and daggers? muffs?

Cracked dome - not what but it's a trap.

[s.p.i.n.]

What other active forums(clever doesn't count) are around anymore?
anyone that eye have interacted with even on semi positive note(that includes you Jliat&Tim)
send me PM for doing some brainstorming on somethings...
hmmm Clever actually made maniacs seems appealing
wonder how RRRon is doing
man, he is looking fucking old anymore

Special Interests & I hate music are the only places that are neither a toilet or a graveyard.

[timdrage]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -thinkspot

[clemonz]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -thinkspot

i don't like his beard