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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by jliat » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:20 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:09 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:11 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:55 am

not possible.
Physically not, but mathematically it is....
no its not, you cannot "remove" elements from infinity, if you can the set is not infinite, additionally you also create "unequal" infinities where i=i-1 must be true, which of course cannot happen, if you are just making stuff up without regard for logic then why not just put everyone in one room?

Sure you can remove items from an infinite set, and the result will still be infinite...

use the set of numbers.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity....


remove the first - you have


2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ... to infinity


both sets have the same cardinality, which is why the set of odd numbers is the same as the set of all the odd and even numbers.
They have the same cardinality.

But the set of the Reals is a larger infinite set...

and i'm not making this up, Hilbert's Hotel is a well known mathematical phenomenon demonstrating the nature of infinity.
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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by xdugef » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:25 am

dilbert's checkin but they don't checkout

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by killing raven sun » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:42 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:20 am
Sure you can remove items from an infinite set, and the result will still be infinite...

use the set of numbers.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity...


remove the first - you have


2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ... to infinity
obviously wrong, the second set is minus one, hence not infinite
jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:20 am
both sets have the same cardinality, which is why the set of odd numbers is the same as the set of all the odd and even numbers.
They have the same cardinality.

But the set of the Reals is a larger infinite set...

and i'm not making this up, Hilbert's Hotel is a well known mathematical phenomenon demonstrating the nature of infinity.
i totally agree that you mathemagicians think you are right, thats why modelling is always so accurate :roll:

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by jliat » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:57 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:42 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:20 am
Sure you can remove items from an infinite set, and the result will still be infinite...

use the set of numbers.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity...


remove the first - you have


2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ... to infinity
obviously wrong, the second set is minus one, hence not infinite
Nope - its the same thing...

proof - you can count both

2 1

3 2

4 3

5 4

============

1 1


2 2


3 3

========

etc - you can keep counting both to infinity... they are the same size...



1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity... and some more

1/2 1/4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity... same size..
killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:42 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:20 am
both sets have the same cardinality, which is why the set of odd numbers is the same as the set of all the odd and even numbers.
They have the same cardinality.

But the set of the Reals is a larger infinite set...

and i'm not making this up, Hilbert's Hotel is a well known mathematical phenomenon demonstrating the nature of infinity.
i totally agree that you mathemagicians think you are right, thats why modelling is always so accurate :roll:
Modelling is done by scientists using maths... the world of mathematics is very different from this one.
For starters you can have any number of dimensions, and many types of geometry... many different infinities....

and no way am I a mathematician...
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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by killing raven sun » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:05 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:57 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:42 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:20 am
Sure you can remove items from an infinite set, and the result will still be infinite...

use the set of numbers.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity...


remove the first - you have


2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ... to infinity
obviously wrong, the second set is minus one, hence not infinite
Nope - its the same thing...

proof - you can count both

2 1

3 2

4 3

5 4

============

1 1


2 2


3 3

========

etc - you can keep counting both to infinity... they are the same size...



1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity... and some more

1/2 1/4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity... same size..
let r = number of rooms
let g = number of guests

r = infinity, so r = i
g = infinity, so g = i

i = i

and then you state without explanation:

i = i - 1

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Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:57 am
and no way am I a mathematician...
no shit

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by Sleep Of Ages » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:09 am

xdugef wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:25 am
dilbert's checkin but they don't checkout
Hehehehe
Yeah there are so many grotesque errors in Daric Hotel Management knowledge/practices that I think he should stick to being a cyberpunk survivalist druid or whatever he does.

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by killing raven sun » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:13 am

Sleep Of Ages wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:09 am
xdugef wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:25 am
dilbert's checkin but they don't checkout
Hehehehe
Yeah there are so many grotesque errors in Daric Hotel Management knowledge/practices that I think he should stick to being a cyberpunk survivalist druid or whatever he does.
hey asshole, its not easy keeping up an infinite hotel, i went to check on a guest and never came back

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by Sleep Of Ages » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:14 am

It's a dumbass move to make an infinite hotel without infinite employers if you ask me.

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by Sleep Of Ages » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:17 am

Infinite cum stained sheets. Infinite messages to deliver. Infinite calls for more booze at late hours and then calls from people complaining about drunk people making noise.
You should have thought about that before taking this endeavor.

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by jliat » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:20 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:05 am
[let r = number of rooms
let g = number of guests

r = infinity, so r = i
g = infinity, so g = i

i = i

and then you state without explanation:

i = i - 1
Where do i state i = i -1 ?

But if i is a Alef zero set.

Then

i + i = i

i - 1 = i

You should be able to see this from these two sets.

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity

Both sets are infinite.

taking the 1 from the last set makes no difference, as does adding 1 to the other.
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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by jliat » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:26 am

Try googling (or whatever) infinity minus infinity...


"Therefore, infinity subtracted from infinity is undefined. "

And dividing a number by zero (for some) gives infinity... which is why I guess a computer - calculator refuses to try..
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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by killing raven sun » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:28 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:20 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:05 am
[let r = number of rooms
let g = number of guests

r = infinity, so r = i
g = infinity, so g = i

i = i

and then you state without explanation:

i = i - 1
Where do i state i = i -1 ?
jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:20 am
Sure you can remove items from an infinite set, and the result will still be infinite...

use the set of numbers.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity....
remove the first - you have
2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ... to infinity

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by killing raven sun » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:29 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:26 am
Try googling (or whatever) infinity minus infinity...


"Therefore, infinity subtracted from infinity is undefined. "

And dividing a number by zero (for some) gives infinity... which is why I guess a computer - calculator refuses to try..
derp, its not me that is confused,

"some infinities are bigger than others" :lol:

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by xdugef » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:33 am

You two should get a room in a Dildo-Hotel

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Re: dilberts hotel

Post by jliat » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:35 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:28 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:20 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:05 am
[let r = number of rooms
let g = number of guests

r = infinity, so r = i
g = infinity, so g = i

i = i

and then you state without explanation:

i = i - 1
Where do i state i = i -1 ?
jliat wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:20 am
Sure you can remove items from an infinite set, and the result will still be infinite...

use the set of numbers.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... to infinity....
remove the first - you have
2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ... to infinity
So then it can be stated


i - 1 = i
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