fire wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:21 pm
dont expect to win arguments with cherry picked facts
First i don't expect to win an argument with you. That is a given fact of which i'm certain 100%, again maybe you can devise a way of electrically measuring that. And i have not used facts. One may as you say catch a disease from a dream, but the point is you can't measure now to decide if you are in a dream or not. The idea is Descartes' whose mathematics is fairly foundational to even the Electric Universe guys, maybe you should ask them.
But you set an interesting problem.
Like you can't measure a rock on the far side of the moon or on Pluto. There are no measuring devices there. One might 'in principle' be able to do it but that isn't measuring. And working from this..
If you measure things like the sun or earth again one samples and infers. OK you say the inference is electrical, but that is not the electric measure of the sun or earth. Again it may in principle be possible to build a machine that could do this, but you couldn't use anything from the earth to measure the earth. And cosmically speaking the earth is next to nothing. So most measurement on these scales are massive inferences, by both big science and Electric Universe.
So at anyone time most things can not be measured, only the idea in principle. And to take a finite measurement of such things firstly is practically impossible, but at extremes theoretically impossible. You would need to turn everything in the universe into measuring devices and then there would be nothing other to measure
Or can you measure electrically sentience in others, only infer it from observation.
Which again leads to the idea you can't measure true knowledge. And surly that's a thing.
Anyway none of this will alter your mind, though as i say its given me food for thought bouncing these ideas if your unchanging brick wall as it were.
So here is a fact for you. Big Science and EU relies on massive inferences of a tiny few samples to make cosmic inferences. And an inference is not a direct observation.