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Post by Clemon09 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:20 pm

the most powerful man in history?

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Post by Laura91 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:33 pm

Nah.

The answer to this is yet to be determined. Whomever initiates World War 3 or wipes out a significant portion of the human race will attain that title.

But of course, that person will also be a piece of fuckin' shit so, fuck'em!

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Post by Clemon09 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:38 pm

hmm.

but power isn't the same as violence.

i reckon that pre nuclear proliferation individual world leaders were more powerful because you could invade half of europe, and i dunno that could happen again!
genghis khan etc., well without technology you can't be that powerful maybe.
stalin probably had to watch other people in the party more.

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Post by Laura91 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:16 pm

Clemon09 wrote:hmm.

but power isn't the same as violence.
But it always leads to violence. History proves that and especially modern American history.

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Post by amishrobots » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:40 pm

jesus Christ was the most powerful man in history, because he fucked up the thought processes of more people in history than any other single living human. But I am basing this on my own limited western oriented experience; I have heard that other religions like buddhism etc actually have more followers. Was there any living religious figure whose message infected more people throughout history than Jesus?

and if we are going to go by murder/violence rates, hitler would still be a real loser compared to some others, right? Heck, let's bring up that Jesus guy again; I'm sure hating Jews had something to do with a fucked up Aryan race version of christinsanity.

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Post by Sleep Of Ages » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:55 am

There´s a difference between saying "was" and "is".

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Post by MGLUE » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:04 am

amishrobots wrote: I'm sure hating Jews had something to do with a fucked up Aryan race version of christinsanity.
Wasn't going to post today because I'm sick of it, but I might as well go ahead and say that Nazism borrows heavily from Theosophy as propounded by Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky in her books Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine. It idealizes pre-Christian religious and mystical notions as well as Darwinist social philosophies of "survival of the fittest." Hardly Christian thought. Furthermore, a lineal descent can be drawn between aspects of Nazism and ancient Hindu belief, and this has been done in books like The Lightning and the Sun by Savitri Devi, which posits Hitler as an incarnation of Vishnu.

Nazism is philosophically modern, mystically pagan.
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Post by MGLUE » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:30 am

I might further add that the swastika, far from being a symbol use exclusively by the Nazis, is, in point of fact, one of the world's oldest religious symbols, and can be found on many Hindu temples. It is also used (much to the ire of the communist government) by the Chinese Falun Gong Buddhists.

It was also used by the Navajo.

And has even been found inscribed on the floor of some historic synagogues.

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Post by xdugef » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:29 am

I hear he was the gassiest

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Post by jliat » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:54 am

MGLUE wrote:
Wasn't going to post today because I'm sick of it, but I might as well go ahead and say that Nazism borrows heavily from Theosophy as propounded by Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky in her books Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine. It idealizes pre-Christian religious and mystical notions as well as Darwinist social philosophies of "survival of the fittest." Hardly Christian thought. Furthermore, a lineal descent can be drawn between aspects of Nazism and ancient Hindu belief, and this has been done in books like The Lightning and the Sun by Savitri Devi, which posits Hitler as an incarnation of Vishnu.

Nazism is philosophically modern, mystically pagan.
Though the idea of Nazism has acquired mystical interpretations - it arose as part of a general 'wave' of 'fascist' dictators - Mussolini - Franco - obviously - Moseley in the UK and the Nationalism of Japan. These in turn were consequences of the social changes brought about by modernity, the failed resolution to the causes of WW1 and the following depression. Singling out Hitler as "The" bogyman is a little naive. Dictatorship was the general rule - at that time - if not now!

The swastika or fly flot cross is part of a German idea of eternal return - (The ring cycle etc.) and despite many lit-critters wanting otherwise Nietzsche had a big influence - in the ideas of will to power and all things being permitted - OK he didn't like German nationalism - but in his time it wasn't quite the same thing - and the Nazis certainly 'used' his ideas…

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Post by RJMyato » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:09 am

jliat wrote:and despite many lit-critters wanting otherwise Nietzsche had a big influence - in the ideas of will to power and all things being permitted
well this isn't entirely fair; the Nazis "used" a lot of ideas but anyone who gives an honest look at Nietzsche's ideas can see that they're incompatible since he hates both nationalism and racism/anti-semitism. Bataille wrote a lot about this subject in the Acephale journal

of course that's also why it's completely braindead stupid to blame Christianity for nazism or anything else

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