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Re: Concepts

Post by Fletcher » Thu May 17, 2018 11:33 pm

jliat wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 12:05 am
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page 158-162 "Many Zeros"....Barrow explains how mathematicians can create many different zeros...
A good book, in the canon of popular science titles. Together with Universality and Chaos, well worth a read.
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Re: Concepts

Post by killing raven sun » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:34 pm

jliat wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 11:46 pm
MKULTRA wrote:
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Zero is nothing. How do you create nothing?
Well i think zero in mathematics is more a property / process in a number system, not a 'thing'.

How do you create nothing.... subtract the thing from itself.... interesting as i'm no good at maths - but its to do with identity...
0 + x = x. But in computing identity is subtraction also. One way to check a password is to subtract
(the ascii values) what was entered from what is stored, if the result is zero then there is a match.
zero is not nothing, it is a term that means something
jliat wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 11:46 pm
Other ways, well give me your bank details and i can empty your account, there will be nothing in it. You can empty a waste bin, or empty a bag, a pocket...
you can empty a bank account and there will still not be nothing in it, a balance of zero is not nothing, it is a lack of something, the bank account still exists with a zero balance, same as the waste bin or any other thing, the state of its emptyness is an illusion, any thing that appears empty does so because you perceive it as so
jliat wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 11:46 pm
or to be more poetic and less mechanistic, one can feel ones life to be empty. And this might arise by reading a poem...
simple problem of perception, this is what magic mushrooms are for

remeber: Nothing exists, it is the underlying reality we live in, the ground for Charge, it cannot be created or manipulated and this is all that can be known of Nothing

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Re: Concepts

Post by jliat » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm

killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:34 pm

remeber: Nothing exists, it is the underlying reality we live in, the ground for Charge, it cannot be created or manipulated and this is all that can be known of Nothing
This supposes you 'know' a limit - which you cannot know. For to know it you need to be in someway beyond it - in which case it is not a limit.... Its a very famous idea.

It's related the The Halting Problem and the incompleteness of Mathematics...


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You cant see the edge of your visual field, you cant know the limits of knowing.

Metaphysics - of which ideas of " underlying reality" is an example are rendered at worse nonsense, at best poetics. To be judged by taste.

(nothing wrong with that)


It also appears in Music - Cage's idea that there is no such thing as silence, of course in the sense that 'one cannot perceive a lack of perception' its logically true. But you can 'know' a silence, a state of no change. Though you cant know this will persist.

Have a nice day... ;)

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Re: Concepts

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
This supposes you 'know' a limit - which you cannot know. For to know it you need to be in someway beyond it - in which case it is not a limit.... Its a very famous idea.
wrong. a wall is a limit, it can be known from within, only that which is beyond the wall cannot be known
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
It's related the The Halting Problem and the incompleteness of Mathematics...
wrong. irrellevant
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
You cant see the edge of your visual field, you cant know the limits of knowing.
hopefully you can understand the difference between optics and thought forms and that the two are not comparable
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
Metaphysics -...
is a subject you are wholly unqualified to speak on
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
It also appears in Music - Cage's idea that there is no such thing as silence, of course in the sense that 'one cannot perceive a lack of perception' its logically true. But you can 'know' a silence, a state of no change. Though you cant know this will persist.
hogwash, the deaf know silence and it persists in perpetuity
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
Have a nice day... ;)
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Re: Concepts

Post by WhiteWarlock » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:19 am

Did someone says Metaphysics?
You cant see the edge of your visual field, you cant know the limits of knowing.

Metaphysics - of which ideas of " underlying reality" is an example are rendered at worse nonsense, at best poetics. To be judged by taste.
that's obviously your perspectives, perceptions, & misconceptions
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Re: Concepts

Post by WhiteWarlock » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:21 am

It could be dared to be said that Stockhausen's life experiences & relentless spiritual quest gave his works an exigent metaphysical power.
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Re: Concepts

Post by jliat » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:37 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 am
wrong. a wall is a limit, it can be known from within, only that which is beyond the wall cannot be known
You don't know walls. They divide… Like Hadrian's. Or the wall of your house, there is an inside and outside..
Now - open the door and you will find an outside. Or even look through a widow or peep over the top.
Hell - what do you think is the other side of Trump's wall.... Mexicans!
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
It's related the The Halting Problem and the incompleteness of Mathematics...
wrong. irrellevant
Its the mushrooms...? it is related so is relevant. Open your doors...
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
You cant see the edge of your visual field, you cant know the limits of knowing.
hopefully you can understand the difference between optics and thought forms and that the two are not comparable
Not me - Wittgenstein. And if you could argue the above - you'd be one smart cookie. But i'm afraid its those mushrooms. That they are comparable is clear for anyone not tripping out.
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
Metaphysics -...
is a subject you are wholly unqualified to speak on
Shown to be nonsense, and so open to all and sundry.. hello Daric.
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
It also appears in Music - Cage's idea that there is no such thing as silence, of course in the sense that 'one cannot perceive a lack of perception' its logically true. But you can 'know' a silence, a state of no change. Though you cant know this will persist.
hogwash, the deaf know silence and it persists in perpetuity
Its what I said mushroom boy - the deaf cannot perceive silence, they can know it.
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
Have a nice day... ;)
thanks, in the low 80s here
What ever the 30s C is it is here - but i'm in central London - so its Hell - basically.
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Re: Concepts

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:06 pm

jliat wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:37 am
Its the mushrooms...? it is related so is relevant. Open your doors...
just like you confuse walls and doors you also confuse cant and wont such as you believe that i cant when its you that wont
jliat wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:37 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
You cant see the edge of your visual field, you cant know the limits of knowing.
hopefully you can understand the difference between optics and thought forms and that the two are not comparable
Not me - Wittgenstein. And if you could argue the above - you'd be one smart cookie.
do you think light only exists because you understand it? your level of ignorance rises to an insult
jliat wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:37 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:09 pm
Metaphysics -...
is a subject you are wholly unqualified to speak on
Shown to be nonsense, and so open to all and sundry.. hello Daric.
no, not shown, just another of your lazy thoughts
jliat wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:37 am
And tomorrow a talk at UCL - and you are mentioned in my talk!
why not, you endlessly bloviate about lots of subjects you know little about

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