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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:04 am
Or darkness is not a perception but the inability to perceive
no, darkness is the perception of weak photons...
Perception (from the Latin perceptio) is the organization, identification, and interpretation of sensory information in order to represent and understand the presented information, or the environment.
jliat wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:04 am
Just as silence is impossible to perceive, John Cage was wrong.
no, silence is impossible to hear
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:04 am
Heat is the vibration of matter, or wave/particles in the electro magnetic spectrum, i.e. infrared.
no, that is part of the observed mechanism but not "heat" itself which is just a transaction, not the goods, so what causes the vibration?
Heat is sometimes called a process quantity, because it is defined in the context of a process by which energy can be transferred. We don't talk about a cup of coffee containing heat, but we can talk about the heat transferred from the cup of hot coffee to your hand.

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:04 am
Or darkness is not a perception but the inability to perceive
no, darkness is the perception of weak photons...
Perception (from the Latin perceptio) is the organization, identification, and interpretation of sensory information in order to represent and understand the presented information, or the environment.
Absolute darkness is when like silence there is nothing to perceive. This may or may not be physically possible but it is in terms of information.
Silence is continious DC in PCM data. Given the CD audio specs a possibility of 65536 "types" -
If there is no sensory information there is no possibility of representation, organisation etc.
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:04 am
Just as silence is impossible to perceive, John Cage was wrong.
no, silence is impossible to hear
That is just what I was saying. You can't perceive silence. I said silence is impossible to perceive - i.e. hear.
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:04 am
Heat is the vibration of matter, or wave/particles in the electro magnetic spectrum, i.e. infrared.
no, that is part of the observed mechanism but not "heat" itself which is just a transaction, not the goods, so what causes the vibration?
Heat is sometimes called a process quantity, because it is defined in the context of a process by which energy can be transferred. We don't talk about a cup of coffee containing heat, but we can talk about the heat transferred from the cup of hot coffee to your hand.
Heat and light are part of the electromagnetic spectrum, the difference is our perception, but the energy is of the same type. We dont observe X rays, Gamma Rays, radio waves... but they are 'there'.

What causes the vibration? Well i guess the current theory is the Big Bang, which you do not accept. And in the exchange of "heat" for work the entropy increases into the heat death. A one way ride... the energy reaches a final state where no processing can take place...
- current theory - and yet there is a probability of this not being true - in QM terms. :coffee: In this case its the boiling of water which excites the molecules = heat.

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:43 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
Absolute darkness...
doesnt exist except as thought form
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
is when like silence there is nothing to perceive.
there is always something to perceive even when you are dead
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
This may or may not be physically possible but it is in terms of information.
no, there is never "no information", that is a condition that cannot exist, there are no voids in the universe
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
Silence is continious DC in PCM data.
no, lack of signal is perceived as silence by the listener, PCM data knows nothing of sound
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
no, silence is impossible to hear
That is just what I was saying.
then why did you say perceive instead of hear?
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
You can't perceive silence. I said silence is impossible to perceive - i.e. hear.
hearing and perceiving are different things, you always perceive everything, but hearing is limited to vibratory stimulus
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
Heat and light are part of the electromagnetic spectrum, the difference is our perception, but the energy is of the same type. We dont observe X rays, Gamma Rays, radio waves... but they are 'there'.
if you dont observe something then you dont know it is there, X rays, Gamma Rays, radio waves all have been observed with apparatus, silence and darkness have not
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
What causes the vibration? Well i guess the current theory is the Big Bang,
the big bang causes the suns heat? derp
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
which you do not accept.
nobody does, its retarded
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
And in the exchange of "heat" for work the entropy increases into the heat death. A one way ride... the energy reaches a final state where no processing can take place...
no, not one way, its called "reheating", humans even have special machines for it called ovens
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
:coffee: In this case its the boiling of water which excites the molecules = heat.
how do you boil water? do you use an electric stove, or maybe you have a gas flame, in any case you use an electrical device to spread heat inductively

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:07 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:43 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
Absolute darkness...
doesnt exist except as thought form
Then it exists - even in your idea of everything being electric - its actual substance in your case is no different! Moreover things like prime numbers exist - but only as thought forms? Fibonacci numbers...
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:43 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
is when like silence there is nothing to perceive.
there is always something to perceive even when you are dead
Quite a few people think likewise. But being 'unconscious' is just that!
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:43 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
This may or may not be physically possible but it is in terms of information.
no, there is never "no information", that is a condition that cannot exist, there are no voids in the universe
But one can have the idea! (see above)
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Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:43 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
Silence is continuous DC in PCM data.
no, lack of signal is perceived as silence by the listener, PCM data knows nothing of sound
True - never the less it exists. Unless you are a Berkelean!
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:43 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
no, silence is impossible to hear
That is just what I was saying.
then why did you say perceive instead of hear?
Because we perceive via the senses, sound = hearing.
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
You can't perceive silence. I said silence is impossible to perceive - i.e. hear.
hearing and perceiving are different things, you always perceive everything, but hearing is limited to vibratory stimulus
I disagree - but if you do then 'thought forms' are things, which means you perceive them.. ergo by your idea they are 'real'.
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
Heat and light are part of the electromagnetic spectrum, the difference is our perception, but the energy is of the same type. We dont observe X rays, Gamma Rays, radio waves... but they are 'there'.
if you dont observe something then you dont know it is there, X rays, Gamma Rays, radio waves all have been observed with apparatus, silence and darkness have not
By definition they cant be observed, unless if your case is true then they are perceived.
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
What causes the vibration? Well i guess the current theory is the Big Bang,
the big bang causes the suns heat? derp
In that theory yes. And eventually the universe in that theory runs down to heat death.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
which you do not accept.
nobody does, its retarded
No - lots do - watch the Thunderbolts videos - they are always attacking Big Bang cosmologists.
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
And in the exchange of "heat" for work the entropy increases into the heat death. A one way ride... the energy reaches a final state where no processing can take place...
no, not one way, its called "reheating", humans even have special machines for it called ovens
But the oven needs a source of power, gas, wood, electric, and are never 100% efficient so 'useful' energy is lost. We can have ovens but perpetual motion machines.
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 am
:coffee: In this case its the boiling of water which excites the molecules = heat.
how do you boil water? do you use an electric stove, or maybe you have a gas flame, in any case you use an electrical device to spread heat inductively
Sure and the law of themodynamics says this increases entropy. The amount of energy remains the same, but it becomes eventually no longer useful. This is classical ohysics that even the thuderbolts crew sign up to. They are electrical engineers, so know this stuff.

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:27 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:07 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:43 am
then why did you say perceive instead of hear?
Because we perceive via the senses, sound = hearing.
:lol: sound = hearing :lol: tell it to the deaf... oh wait :lol:
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:07 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 am
hearing and perceiving are different things, you always perceive everything, but hearing is limited to vibratory stimulus
I disagree - but if you do then 'thought forms' are things, which means you perceive them.. ergo by your idea they are 'real'.
sure, they are temporary, plastic, nonlocalised fields of energy, that is all
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:07 am
Sure and the law of themodynamics says this increases entropy. The amount of energy remains the same, but it becomes eventually no longer useful. This is classical ohysics that even the thuderbolts crew sign up to. They are electrical engineers, so know this stuff.
so what? it looks like you are just barfing out word salad because you have no point

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:15 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:27 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:07 am
I disagree - but if you do then 'thought forms' are things, which means you perceive them.. ergo by your idea they are 'real'.
sure, they are temporary, plastic, nonlocalised fields of energy, that is all
So they are temporary.... ideas like 'nothing', 'zero, fibinachi numbers, infinity... and no localised? where, and what happens to the energy?
I mean the tree in the garden is real, I perceived it, and it is temporary...
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:27 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:07 am
Sure and the law of themodynamics says this increases entropy. The amount of energy remains the same, but it becomes eventually no longer useful. This is classical physics that even the thuderbolts crew sign up to. They are electrical engineers, so know this stuff.
so what? it looks like you are just barfing out word salad because you have no point
Looks can be deceptive. The so what if you agree that the law of entropy holds means that even an electric universe will run down... and given you dont like a big bang 14 billion years ago, then again an infinitely expanding universe in infinite time gives you more problems...

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:23 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:15 am
So they are temporary.... ideas like 'nothing', 'zero, fibinachi numbers, infinity...
no, ideas arent temporary, thoughts are, ideas endure beyond the individual, trapped in words and objects, like 'nothing' which means very little :lol: as its open to much interpretive thought that cannot be shared
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:15 am
and no localised? where, and what happens to the energy?
I mean the tree in the garden is real, I perceived it, and it is temporary...
your perception of it is temporary but the tree is still making noise when it falls, the information is always there for all to access, or not, as is your ability
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:15 am
The so what if you agree that the law of entropy holds means that even an electric universe will run down... and given you dont like a big bang 14 billion years ago, then again an infinitely expanding universe in infinite time gives you more problems...
jesus, more big bang evolutionary gibberish, why do you think baseless outdated flawed and falsified reasoning can be used to argue your points? there is no evidence for a heat death scenario and everyday there are new findings on the real mechanics of energy, but its james so "facts be damned! i will cherry pick arguements for arguments sake! i dont know shit about science and dont care to learn but i sure can rake the mud!", even if i direct you to resources that refute your assertion you will ignore them and move on to another arguement on another point you dont understand, so thats great because the more stupid dooshery you post instead of thoughtful rebuttal just helps prove that the standard model has nothing going for it but a few science illiterate mud slingers :lol:

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:23 am

jesus, more big bang evolutionary gibberish, why do you think baseless outdated flawed and falsified reasoning can be used to argue your points? there is no evidence for a heat death scenario and everyday there are new findings on the real mechanics of energy, but its james so "facts be damned! i will cherry pick arguements for arguments sake! i dont know shit about science and dont care to learn but i sure can rake the mud!", even if i direct you to resources that refute your assertion you will ignore them and move on to another arguement on another point you dont understand, so thats great because the more stupid dooshery you post instead of thoughtful rebuttal just helps prove that the standard model has nothing going for it but a few science illiterate mud slingers :lol:
Olbers' paradox goes for the perceived universe, any theory must account for it. You look through a telescope and have a few others around to do same, Olbers' paradox - check it out - "when viewed through a telescope the sky is all lights everywhere you look" Is not the case. The Thunderbolts video was wrong after just 50 seconds and all your mental gymnastics don't make it right.

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:45 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 am
Olbers' paradox goes for the perceived universe, any theory must account for it.
no, it is isolated speculation, the universe is not static, all things move and change continuously, olbers paradox is more outdated gibberish
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 am
You look through a telescope and have a few others around to do same, Olbers' paradox - check it out - "when viewed through a telescope the sky is all lights everywhere you look" Is not the case.
well, not the case for you and your limited perception, you need a better telescope, mine is made from ayahuasca
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 am
The Thunderbolts video was wrong after just 50 seconds and all your mental gymnastics don't make it right.
the video was right and all your empty acusations dont make it wrong

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:28 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:45 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 am
Olbers' paradox goes for the perceived universe, any theory must account for it.
no, it is isolated speculation, the universe is not static, all things move and change continuously, olbers paradox is more outdated gibberish
Nope - and its a fact - the night sky is dark, moreover one that can be perceived.
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:45 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 am
You look through a telescope and have a few others around to do same, Olbers' paradox - check it out - "when viewed through a telescope the sky is all lights everywhere you look" Is not the case.
well, not the case for you and your limited perception, you need a better telescope, mine is made from ayahuasca
I've used several, even a fairly large one at The City of Birmingham University.
The psychedelic effects of ayahuasca include visual and auditory stimulation, the mixing of sensory modalities, and psychological introspection that may lead to great elation, fear, or illumination. Its purgative properties are important (known as la purga or "the purge"). The intense vomiting and occasional diarrhea...
So you aren't shitting me this time for sure
People who have consumed ayahuasca report having mystical or religious experiences and spiritual revelations regarding their purpose on earth, the true nature of the universe, and deep insight into how to be the best person they possibly can.[37] This is viewed by many as a spiritual awakening and what is often described as a rebirth.[38]:67–70 In addition, it is often reported that individuals feel they gain access to higher spiritual dimensions and make contact with various spiritual or extra-dimensional beings who can act as guides or healers.
OK - makes sense now.
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:45 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 am
The Thunderbolts video was wrong after just 50 seconds and all your mental gymnastics don't make it right.
the video was right and all your empty acusations dont make it wrong
Not my assertions - the paradox was known 6th C AD.

Anyway - now we know you get your "knowledge" from dope.

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:19 pm

jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:28 am
the night sky is dark, moreover one that can be perceived.
it can only be perceived :lol:
jliat wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:28 am
Not my assertions - the paradox was known 6th C AD.
yeah, we know you get your "knowledge" from dopes

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:09 pm

the first ten minutes she reviews the standard model then she talks about the observational problems(neutrinos have mass :lol: ) then she makes excuses for their ignorance, specifically that computers arent good enough for their made up models so instead of just doing real science through experimentation she implores us to believe in the broken falsified model because gosh golly its really swell


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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:09 pm
the first ten minutes she reviews the standard model then she talks about the observational problems(neutrinos have mass :lol: ) then she makes excuses for their ignorance, specifically that computers arent good enough for their made up models so instead of just doing real science through experimentation she implores us to believe in the broken falsified model because gosh golly its really swell
Yes i'm familiar with this pop-physics type of thing. To paraphrase - she wants to understand the standard model, find out where it breaks down so as to learn new things... this is typical of science. Its why science moved from an earth centred ptolemy model, to the current ones.
The alternative, to just drop some acid and get the knowledge direct from the god head is much cheaper, and as you know, absolute! :dumb:

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:17 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
Yes i'm familiar with this pop-physics type of thing.
pop physics? from mit? da fuck is wrong with you?
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
To paraphrase - she wants to understand the standard model,
yeah, i already paraphrased what she said
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
find out where it breaks down so as to learn new things...
but ten minutes in she delineates exactly the major problems, the breakdowns are already well known
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
this is typical of science.
she advocates making better models of the broken model but gee we dont have the computational power, so the future is where she lives, total insanity
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
The alternative, to just drop some acid and get the knowledge direct from the god head is much cheaper, and as you know, absolute! :dumb:
no, the alternative is to do real science based on observation and experimentation, but im not surpised you dont know that :roll:

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:19 am

james, stop being a dumb cunt.

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