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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:58 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:24 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:19 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:07 am

yep
So where or are they a secret? CD? CDr... tape...Vinyl?
ask your mum, moron
Moron? now let me see you make noise releases but dont release them? or if you do keep it secret.

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by WhiteWarlock » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:05 am

Have you ever considered that some people may have/use pre internet physical product Distro networks?
Bandcamp has sort of made joke of real releases IMO
since anyone can start account calling anything an official release
not that there is anything wrong with people doing that for promo & ease
from another school
plus there is sense of accomplishment when complete "physical releases"
that you can't get making "virtual releases"
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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:06 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:58 am
now let me see you make noise releases but dont release them? or if you do keep it secret.
what do you care? you dont make or listen to noise, so discussing it with you is pointless

its interesting how you think if you dont know something that it doesnt exist, i bet there is a medical diagnosis for that mental disease

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by WhiteWarlock » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:16 am

isn't that some type of "Sub-Solipsism"?
:P

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:21 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:16 am
isn't that some type of "Sub-Solipsism"?
:P
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:46 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:06 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:58 am
now let me see you make noise releases but dont release them? or if you do keep it secret.
what do you care? you dont make or listen to noise, so discussing it with you is pointless

its interesting how you think if you dont know something that it doesnt exist, i bet there is a medical diagnosis for that mental disease
Well i never said that what is not known doesn't exist. Must be something you made up. But you're quite close to stumbling into some fairly heavy philosophy. As elsewhere you laughed at the idea of the world not existing if one closes ones eyes. Its kinda Bishop Berkeley.

Whose ideas at first seem crazy, but actually have a certain validity. In short things only exist when perceived. (The famous 'does a tree falling in a forest when no one is there make a sound' - derives from this i think). Its to do with knowledge, like how do you know the world exists when you are not conscious. You can assume it to be so, but not know. This led to Hume's scepticism and so to Kant, and his famous critique. Hume argued cause and effect is just a psychological 'impression' and nothing more. This being quite damaging to science - of any sort. Kant sort to find a way around that problem.

And the listening things - was that in a way if the noise is just that, listening to it makes no difference.

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:05 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:46 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:06 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:58 am
now let me see you make noise releases but dont release them? or if you do keep it secret.
what do you care? you dont make or listen to noise, so discussing it with you is pointless

its interesting how you think if you dont know something that it doesnt exist, i bet there is a medical diagnosis for that mental disease
Well i never said that what is not known doesn't exist. Must be something you made up. But you're quite close to stumbling into some fairly heavy philosophy. As elsewhere you laughed at the idea of the world not existing if one closes ones eyes. Its kinda Bishop Berkeley.

Whose ideas at first seem crazy, but actually have a certain validity. In short things only exist when perceived.
yes and no, perception is the state of human awareness, it makes things through perceiving, what it is acting on is Charge, the only reality in the universe, unless you understand Nothing, which you dont
jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:46 am
(The famous 'does a tree falling in a forest when no one is there make a sound' - derives from this i think). Its to do with knowledge, like how do you know the world exists when you are not conscious.
how do you know it exists when youre awake?

btw, you are always conscious, even without a brain your consciousness exists, just not the senses, the abyss
jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:46 am
Hume argued cause and effect is just a psychological 'impression' and nothing more.
yes and no, the dynamic universe cannot be understood with static observation even as the process is actually happening
jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:46 am
And the listening things - was that in a way if the noise is just that, listening to it makes no difference.
well of course it does, it is an energy transfer, your misunderstood cause and effect

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:18 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:05 am
Have you ever considered that some people may have/use pre internet physical product Distro networks?
Bandcamp has sort of made joke of real releases IMO
since anyone can start account calling anything an official release
not that there is anything wrong with people doing that for promo & ease
from another school
plus there is sense of accomplishment when complete "physical releases"
that you can't get making "virtual releases"
I'd agree with this - are you familiar with Peter King? Great Guy and really nice 'product' - each hand cut.

http://peterkinglathecutrecords.co.nz/

Quite reasonable prices for small runs - but he can take ages to deliver - but 100% IMO.


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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:22 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:05 am

well of course it does, it is an energy transfer, your misunderstood cause and effect

OK - all very nice, just one small point. I dont misunderstand cause and effect, i dont understand it. I know of several thories... but none are convincing..

In certain scenarios it creatres a determinism, which i'm uncertain about.

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:28 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:22 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:05 am

well of course it does, it is an energy transfer, your misunderstood cause and effect

OK - all very nice, just one small point. I dont misunderstand cause and effect, i dont understand it. I know of several thories... but none are convincing..
weak, understanding doesnt come from outside, if you wait to be convinced, you will never know anything
jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:22 am
In certain scenarios it creatres a determinism, which i'm uncertain about.
:lol:

good one!

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:47 am

just going to throw this out there one more time...

freedom is the ability to do the wrong thing, the right action is always constrained(you must eat, you must not eat poison) while wrong is free to do anything(not eat, eat poison, eat rocks, stab your gut with a stick)

right actions are the direct path to knowledge(what is food)

wrong actions are the circuitous path to knowledge(rocks arent food, a temporary state soon replaced with right, such as real food or starving to death, both right outcomes you have no control over, you have no choice in eating and death)

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:06 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:46 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:06 am
its interesting how you think if you dont know something that it doesnt exist, i bet there is a medical diagnosis for that mental disease
Well i never said that what is not known doesn't exist.
jliat wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:51 pm
Do you make any noise releases? Or even a youtube video? Nope!
fucking moron

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:50 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:47 am
just going to throw this out there one more time...
Great- get rid of it -its all nonsense.

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:52 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:06 am

fucking moron

Yea - you make noise releases but dont release them. If that is you do? :chin:

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:10 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:52 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:06 am
fucking moron
Yea - you make noise releases but dont release them. If that is you do? :chin:
fucking moron

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