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Post by dwemmy » Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:15 am

Maybe nincompoop is too severe, but helicopter parents are a big part of the problem. The crime rate is as low as its been in 20+ years, over 50 years in LA, and yet these parents have anxiety attacks if their kids are out of sight, or worse cell phone range.

Kids are going to college with mommy calling them everyday via cell phone.

Everybody should learn to drive a manual transmission in order to get a license btw.
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Post by the raytownian » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:21 am

I took a long time to learn to read clocks... :(

I swear, it's because I'm retarded, not because I'm an idiot!!!

There's a difference, really... ;___;

I've always been really, really, really, fucking slow with math/numbers.
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Post by Bipolar Fucking Joe » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:18 am

It did take me a long time, too, because the movement of the minute hand would make me confused. Maybe we're both retarded, Ray.

Also, what are "Helicopter Parents?"

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Post by the raytownian » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:31 am

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING RETARDED.

Retardation is something that can't be helped. Being an idiot isn't necessarily...

Also, I believe helicopter parents are parents who are over-protective and always in their kids' business... "Hovering" over them, you know?
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Post by MrBook » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:31 am

DON'T GET ME FUCKING STARTED on the five-year-olds in strollers. That's not even parents mollycoddling or overprotecting the kids -- what, you're gonna protect an able-bodied human who knows how to walk from walking?? -- that's just parents not wanting to be inconvenienced by their kids taking little short-person steps and getting distracted by everything. A *lot* of this shit comes down to parents not wanting to be inconvenienced. If the kid's in a stroller, you don't have to keep track of him and make sure he's not wandering off or getting abducted. That way you don't have to interrupt your cell phone conversation. When he's finally undeniably too big for the stroller, put him on a leash. Pathetic.

I was massively overprotected as a child. I didn't have a lot of freedom, and I didn't have a lot of responsibility. I wasn't encouraged to act independently, or to be curious, or to work hard for things I wanted. It fucks me up to this day. I've put in a lot of work to be a normal, functioning adult. But even then, I didn't have it as bad as kids have it now. I remember my parents teaching me how to write a check when I was a little kid, and how to do laundry. I even remember my mom first teaching me the concept of sharing, another life skill that no one learns anymore. I can't imagine being a teenager and not knowing how to use a clothes hanger. You see a lot of it even on noise boards, with all the "How do I make noise?" threads. I don't know, man, figure it out! You think there's a fucking manual?

And what sucks is that this has been going on so long that all these people are in the work force now. Everywhere you go you're surrounded by people who don't know anything, and aren't interested in learning. It's not just simple mechanical tasks; they don't have basic cultural literacy. They don't know who Mark Twain is, or Marilyn Monroe, or Neil Armstrong. They might know Einstein as that guy with the crazy hair sticking his tongue out. My wife works with three women like that, and it's about to drive her completely batshit. Nobody remembers anything anymore, either, have you noticed this? They can't hang onto things that happened two weeks ago. It's bizarre. You start wondering if we as a species are losing the phenomenon of consciousness, or something. I don't think it's just the technology, either, as the article seems to argue, but I'm sure it's not helping. God help us all.
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Post by the raytownian » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:34 am

MrBook wrote:I can't imagine being a teenager and not knowing how to use a clothes hanger.
Please tell me this statement wasn't based on a real-life experience!!!
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Post by MrBook » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:46 am

That's in the article! Re-reading, I'm not sure that part referred to the teenager, but the part about using a can opener did.

By the way, I'm on the same bus with you guys who took forever to learn to tell time on an analog clock. Now I like it a lot better, because it makes it so much easier to visualize amounts of time, like say how much time is left until you need to leave for work, as opposed to digital, where it's more abstracted. But I was really resistant to it at age 10 or so. I didn't get it, and the fact that I didn't get it made me not want to learn it. That's kind of hard for me to relate to now. Now I wish I could learn everything, and it bugs me that I can't.
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Post by the raytownian » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:57 am

Ha... I guess I'm an idiot, having not even read the article yet...
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Post by Bipolar Fucking Joe » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:07 am

There's this really great book called They Fuck You Up or something, about how no matter what they do, your parents will impede you on yr way to adulthood. Whether they're super caring, hard asses, help you with your homework, pretnend you don't exist, everything they do will result in your future sucking that little extra. Pick it up, interesting read, and makes a lot of sense. sort of solidifies the idea that you just can't fucking win.

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Post by MrBook » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:06 am

Below is part of one of my favorite poems of all time, "This Be the Verse" by Philip Larkin. I hadn't heard of this book and don't know if it's any relation, but it seems safe to assume they got the title from this poem.

They fuck you up, your mum and dad
They may not mean to, but they do
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.


Amen.
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Post by the raytownian » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:09 am

That was beautiful, man... seriously.
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Post by MrBook » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:01 pm

By the way, back to the parents tangent, I know that a lot of people have truly fucked up childhoods and get abused, molested, neglected, etc., and I don't want to give anyone the wrong idea. My parents are good people and I had a good childhood overall, and I don't take that for granted. You have to keep these things in perspective. But I do feel like through a combination of coddling and over-disciplining, they set me up to be completely unprepared for life -- not just as an adult, but even as a child.

To MKULTRA: Regarding this combination of helpless stupidity and apathy that is quickly becoming the default position for American (and probably soon otherwise) humanity: Steve Allen called it "dumbth." He wrote a whole book about it in the 80s, called Dumbth. I haven't read it, because from what I hear it's more cranky and preachy than it is funny, like pretty much everything he said in his later years, but you have to appreciate the word and the sentiment. Dumbth. Dumbth.
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