How do you market your noise brand?

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by Sleep Of Ages » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:55 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:44 pm
Sleep Of Ages wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:07 pm
Jliat is very touchy about being old as fuck, now you know.
I've always been argumentative. Bit of a Rebel - you know -
one of the most radical followers of John Cage's anti-musical ideology. His pieces rarely dwell in the audible spectrum: they either indulge in absolute cacophony or in absolute quiescence. He pushed LaMonte Young's minimalism to the extreme...
As for old age - its great. No need to work, good pension. The house is paid for and increasing in value each month! So at last free to do what I want. No managers or bosses. The only downside is nasal hair, but I can afford a trimmer for that.
Of course I've probably not as long to live, but with the way things are it might not be a bad thing. Anyway you lot in Brazil seem to be a bit nuts! ha ha… Elias! how's the waiting job - "oi glass of red wine pour va voir …"
Sleep Of Ages wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:07 pm
He also discusses like a very pissed off girlfriend
You had / got a girlfriend? Wow. I thought the girls in Brazil were all prostitutes for German "tourists" What is she turned 60?
Sleep Of Ages wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:07 pm
when she's being unreasonable and you ask her to calm down and be reasonable. He will never stop.
Well, that was wrong. He will stop eventually. (https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... gures-show)
Life expectancy about 10 years more than Brazil. (BTW = you seem confused about gender............ sorry - you are Brazilian right? I understand - its a living i guess...) Anyway i'll keep you in mind if we need a new cook / gardener - you and Daric.

In the meantime take care - whatever happened to that comp we were going to do?
That as actually a nice amount of solid jabs on that retort, I tip my hat.
I don't even know which comp was that you are talking about tbh.

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:25 am

MultiDimensionalty
That is the Key.
Be able expanding your spectrum of skills/abilities whilst keeping them "relatively" interconnected.
Thus an advancement in one ability can became accumulative gain also applicable for other skills.
Therefore, It becomes and interconnected web.... plus requires extreme tenacity...
much like dendrites sending electricity through neural networks in thee cerebral cortex.
you can not be the type that gives up easily... requires fortitude... WILLPOWER
Singular dimension thinking merely ends up being like Vomir's Harsh Noise Walls...
boring... limiting... annoying... turned off in under 10 seconds...
works for live gig gag
yet translates horrible for your intended target repeat listeners
devolving noise into completely arbitrary mundane gimmick...
that works because there are so many zombified lemmings... followers
plus his real ability is networking combined with overkill amounts of recording the same basic noise as releases
you will go way further is connect with your True spirit
rather than just emulating something that is now accepted as "cool"
by what you consider your peers
go with your influences
create/connect with your real being and own inner vox
That can be easier said than done
because it requires consistent theory & practice
some western schools have called it attaining conversation with your HGA
in eastern schools it is referred as Zazen
this is fundamental
on that path you will become in tune in tone and in time
regardless if you are creating/composing noise as your forte(medium)
listeners can hear
your spirit projecting via recordings
What impression do you make?
Does it stick in their psyche???
Do you get any real "penetration" for invoking/evoking emotions upon the target listeners?
If so what emotion & why?
Some people have the ability for influencing "collective consciousness" aka "culture"...
others never will because they are merely followers...
What are you?
Is your realty in tune with your projected vibe?
Why do you "create"?
What is your "Energy"?
What is it you are "marketing"?
These are basic questions you need asking yourself...
whilst in reflection...
because they are multiple facets of your existential reality.

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am

Marketing involves trading. The exchange of items with exchange value. i.e. you sell a product someone needs or thinks they need. This is a transaction and in order to be 'successful' both parties (there can be more than two) need to be satisfied with the transaction.

Any artform, including music, if engaged in such commerce is commercial art. As it requires two parties and both are engaged in this trading it follows it cannot exist without these two components. Typically 'artist' – 'audience'. And some means of exchange.

It follows that in any society where there is no means of exchange, or where there is no such society no such art (or any commerce) can take place.

So a person on a desert island cannot make this kind of art, this kind of 'music'. Here we might stretch the idea and argue the transaction involves the production of an item for ones own consumption. As such we have a second type of art (music) which is done for self gratification. If the former involves some 'intercourse' the latter does not. Ergo the term 'masturbation' is sometimes used.

There is (at least- others - boredom relief, some form of 'understanding', experiment..) one other account for the production of an art object which is particular. That is the creation of an object in and of itself. Neither made for a purpose, or the product of a plan.

We can summarize then.

1. Creation for a purpose.

2. Creation not for any purpose. (other than itself)

Is the second motivation for 'making' possible?
If not why? (Everything that exists must have a purpose.)
If so, can things exist without purpose or meaning.

In the first – purposeful creation the How has a given why.
In the second there is a how, but the 'why' remains 'open'.

“A man climbs a mountain because it is there. An artist makes a work of art because it is not there.”
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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:11 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
Marketing involves trading. The exchange of items with exchange value.
wrong, the word is commerce
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
i.e. you sell a product someone needs or thinks they need.
wrong, marketing tells the person they need your product
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
This is a transaction and in order to be 'successful' both parties (there can be more than two) need to be satisfied with the transaction.
wrong, often a transaction is part of a scam
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
Any artform, including music, if engaged in such commerce is commercial art.
wrong, commodification is a tool of capitalism, not culture, capitalistic goals cannot be art, unless you consider fracking and prostitution art
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
As it requires two parties and both are engaged in this trading it follows it cannot exist without these two components. Typically 'artist' – 'audience'. And some means of exchange.
the "it" you talk about is commerce, not art
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
It follows that in any society where there is no means of exchange, or where there is no such society no such art (or any commerce) can take place.
there are no such societies, retarded speculation, life on this planet is a continuous web
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
2. Creation not for any purpose. (other than itself)
not possible
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
If so, can things exist without purpose or meaning.
no
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
In the first – purposeful creation the How has a given why.
In the second there is a how, but the 'why' remains 'open'.
wrong, the motivation is the same, as it is for all actions, for gratification
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:30 am
“A man climbs a mountain because it is there. An artist makes a work of art because it is not there.”
Carl Andre.
wrong, it is to feel the act of creation on the soul

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:57 am

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this is a good example of Salon:
https://www.salon.com/2002/08/02/gauguin/
How does Pervy Paul Gauguin end up a help thread for wanna be noise merchants?
Are you making noise to score 13 year old tahitian girls?
How about this.... Goto Special Interest... Let Mikko give you his critique... or ignore you...
although it may help if you have enough connections for playing the 6 degrees game with him
plus if you can create something that is more his style of noise
there are also other people/labels/places/resources that the above is also applicable
otherwise see if all your facebook friends will buy your tape if you have any
you can charge for your MP3s that no one will buy on bandcamp
sell tapes at shows...
give away tapes for beers at show...
actually goto shows...
next step... start getting paid for going to shows....
back in the day you would give promo to local college radio stations(and party with the DJs) so you got played on the airwaves....

or you can always just send your tape releases to RRRon at the store so he can recycle them

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:31 am

Have you used the above methods and found them to work - or are you not interested in marketing..?

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:14 am

marketing "HNW" and boring shit is not of much "interest"
have another extreme noise project/band(with vox & involving other people)
will "market" when that release is complete
(plus there is currently a S.R.L. type robotic singer being built now for Chicago industrial/noise band project)
this is my personal "fuckoff" outlet for experimental/noise...
not the highest priority in my repertoire
and if/when want it officially released beyond demos will just make phonecall or email
because...
Eye have already used those other methods long ago
such as going to shows...
playing shows...
playing in bands...
& getting paid to goto shows
plus working for labels
doing audio production engineering/mastering at real studios
& live sound
even spinning vinyl records at clubs
being integral part of scenes
thus have lifetime of networking contacts
hmmm
How about you?
BTW that previous post was mainly for other people around here...
thinking you may be a bit late for the game
~shrug~
yet that's alright
Why do you ask dumb questions?

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:35 pm

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:14 am
marketing "HNW" and boring shit is not of much "interest"
have another extreme noise project/band(with vox & involving other people)
will "market" when that release is complete
(plus there is currently a S.R.L. type robotic singer being built now for Chicago industrial/noise band project)
this is my personal "fuckoff" outlet for experimental/noise...
not the highest priority in my repertoire
and if/when want it officially released beyond demos will just make phonecall or email
because...
Eye have already used those other methods long ago
such as going to shows...
playing shows...
playing in bands...
& getting paid to goto shows
plus working for labels
doing audio production engineering/mastering at real studios
& live sound
even spinning vinyl records at clubs
being integral part of scenes
thus have lifetime of networking contacts
hmmm
How about you?
BTW that previous post was mainly for other people around here...
thinking you may be a bit late for the game
~shrug~
yet that's alright
Why do you ask dumb questions?
I wasnt sure if it was for other people - so if it was sure fine.
I'm not at all into the music business.. so your advice for those who want into the market, they will have to judge,
good luck marketing your release, it will i suppose give credence to all your advice.

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:19 pm

no big stress... merely sharing insights...
the more things have changed the more they remain the same in some ways
merely "virtual marketing" noise won't get kids anywhere
they need cutting their teeth playing shows, parties, basements whatever gigs they can get
local scene first getting some recognition & networking
sell/barter you stuff at local shows
internet only goes so far
you want people resonating with your creations

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by Sleep Of Ages » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:42 pm

Cosplay your way into edgyness and create a scene out of a couple of friends (multiple projects each, anon ones) circle jerk to the max.
Have physical releases, don't show a sense of humor.
Follow this black metal krieg necro kvlt mentality in all matters, have a favorite serial killer, favorite mass murder, favorite nazi figure and true crime it all up as much as possible.
Xerox filters on your photo editing software are your friends.
Be a normal guy acting crazy and talking about weird stuff, no one wants a crazy or too weird guy - at least not alive, when you're dead you'll get some street cred.
Contacts, contacts, contacts. Antisocial art just thrives through social gameplay.

Or not, idk, never got anywhere.

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:30 pm

or worst case scenario
get at lest one friend in RL
make them your agent
sign over rights for all your music/art/manifestos
practice playing your XBOX
then go on calculated strategic killing spree
yet you have to beat Breivik's high score=77
if you want success selling/marketing your Noise
you can't just pull a simple "Crazy Charley Manson" anymore
times have changed
exponential over saturated market competition has upped the ante

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:33 pm

Kitten / Cat
Vomir type bag
HNW

YouTube

= Viral!!!!!!




Its the 21st century guys! Just say no to tits yes to Kittens!

Edit: 52 million views!

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:46 am

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maybe it's because for decades western society has been filled with "PUSSIES"
(especially in the modular synth scene)
BTW Bento the cat is supposedly dead...
there however is a rumor floating around on the web:
He's just dodging fame...
his fans...
and his alimony payments...
he's tired of being hounded by paparazzi dogs
he got screwed by his record label
stealing his tunes
giving his songs for whacked out bimbos
they were going to make him tour 24/7/365
as part of the support band
his manager scammed all his cash plus his residuals
& burnt him on his "good catnip"supply
typical Hollywood catsploitation
so he's using up 1 out of 9 lives for dropping out of "the scene"
he needs more catnaps
all he wants is going back for the good old days playing his DJX
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... c3f8730c63
https://animalchannel.co/bento-keyboard-cat/

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Re: How do you market your noise brand?

Post by WhiteWarlock » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:27 am

if you were really worried about marketing your "noise" you would probably be making something besides just generic noisewalls

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