Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:12 am

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Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:02 am
Awesome is it is. Zhang is not my guy - i think his idea is interesting but wrong, but that is not the point. For Crother to make his point - a contradiction between the two theories - it has to be right.
:lol: look stupid, one last time, his point is that both theories are bunk and any "scientist" who believes in either is an idiot :lol:

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:28 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:12 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:02 am
Awesome is it is. Zhang is not my guy - i think his idea is interesting but wrong, but that is not the point. For Crother to make his point - a contradiction between the two theories - it has to be right.
:lol: look stupid, one last time, his point is that both theories are bunk and any "scientist" who believes in either is an idiot :lol:
Calling them both bunk is not a very incisive way of PROVING them wrong.

But he doesnt do this. You've failed to see. He wants to prove a contradiction between two theories of Universe creation, which then proves black holes impossible. But competing theories will have contradictions with each other. And that they do proves nothing about objects inside them such as stars, black holes, white mice or custard.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:32 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:28 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:12 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:02 am
Awesome is it is. Zhang is not my guy - i think his idea is interesting but wrong, but that is not the point. For Crother to make his point - a contradiction between the two theories - it has to be right.
:lol: look stupid, one last time, his point is that both theories are bunk and any "scientist" who believes in either is an idiot :lol:
Calling them both bunk is not a very incisive way of PROVING them wrong.
wow, you are just being stupid, they dont need to be proven wrong, you need to prove they are right, both theories are wrong, period

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:56 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:32 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:28 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:12 am

:lol: look stupid, one last time, his point is that both theories are bunk and any "scientist" who believes in either is an idiot :lol:
Calling them both bunk is not a very incisive way of PROVING them wrong.
wow, you are just being stupid, they dont need to be proven wrong, you need to prove they are right, both theories are wrong, period
You dont get it do you.

They both cant be right.

So Crothers uses this to prove black holes cant exist in a Big Bang Universe. But it doesnt follow.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:00 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:56 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:32 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:28 am

Calling them both bunk is not a very incisive way of PROVING them wrong.
wow, you are just being stupid, they dont need to be proven wrong, you need to prove they are right, both theories are wrong, period
You dont get it do you.

They both cant be right.

So Crothers uses this to prove black holes cant exist in a Big Bang Universe. But it doesnt follow.
jesus, im really starting to wonder about you, do you drink so much that you are detached? neither theory is right dumbass, thats the point

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:10 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:00 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:56 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:32 am

wow, you are just being stupid, they dont need to be proven wrong, you need to prove they are right, both theories are wrong, period
You dont get it do you.

They both cant be right.

So Crothers uses this to prove black holes cant exist in a Big Bang Universe. But it doesnt follow.
jesus, im really starting to wonder about you, do you drink so much that you are detached? neither theory is right dumbass, thats the point
Yes and I you, you really either don't watch the videos or don't follow them, its James not Jesus BTW.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:22 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:10 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:00 am
do you drink so much that you are detached? neither theory is right dumbass, thats the point
Yes and I you, you really either don't watch the videos or don't follow them, its James not Jesus BTW.
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do you drink so much that you are detached?

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:34 am

As I've said even if both theories are wrong neither or both being wrong disproves the concept (your term) of a black hole.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:36 am

And, wouldn’t you know it, when we try to simulate these scenarios on a computer, following the physics as best we can and as best understand, we have a lot of trouble getting the right amounts of energy into the right places. Sometimes the galaxies just keep on cooling. Sometimes they blow up. Sometime they fluctuate back and forth between heating and cooling too rapidly.
first fucking article about black holes i find has a perfect summation

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by clemon » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:38 am

i've unwrapped like uhh loads of presents and the whole time you two were fighting not that kind of boxing day :roll: :roll:
*nobody here knows what the fuck you are talking about* adrian:
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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:36 am
And, wouldn’t you know it, when we try to simulate these scenarios on a computer, following the physics as best we can and as best understand, we have a lot of trouble getting the right amounts of energy into the right places. Sometimes the galaxies just keep on cooling. Sometimes they blow up. Sometime they fluctuate back and forth between heating and cooling too rapidly.
first fucking article about black holes i find has a perfect summation
Well apart from you using computer sumulations to back your argument up! (hypocrite) the article continues
While we don’t have a full and final picture yet, researchers are making steady, if slow, progress in understanding the relationship between giant black holes and their host galaxies. In a recent paper, scientists used advanced computer simulations to try to examine that full picture, including as much of the detailed physics as possible.....


t’s a tough problem to study, but a fascinating one, since by pinning down the relationship between galaxies and their black holes, as communicated through the flows and disruptions of cool gas, we can try to unlock the story of galaxy evolution itself..
So you are using an article which as a given has "progress in understanding the relationship between giant black holes and their host galaxies." to prove they dont exist, by virtue of a computer model. OMG.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:57 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am
Well apart from you using computer sumulations to back your argument up! (hypocrite)
i guess you are too stupid to realize thats all black holes are, a computer simulation that doesnt work
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am
the article continues
While we don’t have a full and final picture yet, researchers are making steady, if slow, progress in understanding the relationship between giant black holes and their host galaxies. In a recent paper, scientists used advanced computer simulations to try to examine that full picture, including as much of the detailed physics as possible.....


t’s a tough problem to study, but a fascinating one, since by pinning down the relationship between galaxies and their black holes, as communicated through the flows and disruptions of cool gas, we can try to unlock the story of galaxy evolution itself..
james, you do realize this is just opinion, right?
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am
So you are using an article which as a given has "progress in understanding the relationship between giant black holes and their host galaxies." to prove they dont exist, by virtue of a computer model. OMG.
do you really think opinion is science?

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:09 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:57 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am
Well apart from you using computer sumulations to back your argument up! (hypocrite)
i guess you are too stupid to realize thats all black holes are, a computer simulation that doesnt work
Not so stupid as to see the theory or concept was around well before computer simulation. And you using computer simulation to prove that is all they are - computer simulations is wrong.
Objects whose gravitational fields are too strong for light to escape were first considered in the 18th century by John Michell and Pierre-Simon Laplace.[7] The first modern solution of general relativity that would characterize a black hole was found by Karl Schwarzschild in 1916,
So the concept, or theory was around well before computer simulation.. so whatever you hoped to prove by your quote is rather pointless with regard to the theory / concept.
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:57 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am
the article continues
While we don’t have a full and final picture yet, researchers are making steady, if slow, progress in understanding the relationship between giant black holes and their host galaxies. In a recent paper, scientists used advanced computer simulations to try to examine that full picture, including as much of the detailed physics as possible.....


t’s a tough problem to study, but a fascinating one, since by pinning down the relationship between galaxies and their black holes, as communicated through the flows and disruptions of cool gas, we can try to unlock the story of galaxy evolution itself..
james, you do realize this is just opinion, right?
But you called it - "black hole" a concept - right? Concepts are more than opinions in your view - right?
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:57 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am
So you are using an article which as a given has "progress in understanding the relationship between giant black holes and their host galaxies." to prove they dont exist, by virtue of a computer model. OMG.
do you really think opinion is science?
No i don't.

Do you think that concepts like "black holes" "evolution" "Relativity" "Electric Universe" are just opinions.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:16 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:09 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:57 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am
Well apart from you using computer sumulations to back your argument up! (hypocrite)
i guess you are too stupid to realize thats all black holes are, a computer simulation that doesnt work
Not so stupid as to see the theory or concept was around well before computer simulation.
ah, pedantry, i bet you are a hoot in real life :lol:
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:09 am
And you using computer simulation to prove that is all they are - computer simulations is wrong.
haha! is that your best comeback? how about some evidence beyond math and simulations? oh, there isnt any? :lol:
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am
the article continues
james, you do realize this is just opinion, right?
But you called it - "black hole" a concept - right? Concepts are more than opinions in your view - right?
wat? slow down drunky, i was talking about the cheerleader that wrote the article, you somehow got it in your head that their opinion was some kind of scientific proof :roll:

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:29 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:16 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:09 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:57 am

i guess you are too stupid to realize thats all black holes are, a computer simulation that doesnt work
Not so stupid as to see the theory or concept was around well before computer simulation.
ah, pedantry, i bet you are a hoot in real life :lol:
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:09 am
And you using computer simulation to prove that is all they are - computer simulations is wrong.
haha! is that your best comeback? how about some evidence beyond math and simulations? oh, there isnt any? :lol:
There is - but our argument was about a theory predicting black holes - you said there was no such theory. There are.
Now you shift to the reality or not, which then must assume there is a theory which predicts. And of course there is some actual evidence. But to go there you have to first have a theory which predicts, something you denied, and of course was wrong. There are many theories which predict black holes.
killing raven sun wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:16 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 am
the article continues
james, you do realize this is just opinion, right?
But you called it - "black hole" a concept - right? Concepts are more than opinions in your view - right?
wat? slow down drunky, i was talking about the cheerleader that wrote the article, you somehow got it in your head that their opinion was some kind of scientific proof :roll:
How could i get the idea it was a proof, a computer simulation cant prove anything in real life. Do you know the difference between emulation and simulation?

I think the author was talking about a theory which predicts black holes... or concept, and not just opinion.

I mean a concept or theory can be right or wrong, but can an opinion? I think not. "a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge"

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