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Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am

Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.
”Wal Thornhill” wrote:So to use our situation [The planet Earth] as a measure of a normal planetary system will give wildly misleading ideas of how life begins and estimates of the likelihood of life elsewhere in the universe..
”Wal Thornhill” wrote: the most benign situation for life in an ELECTRIC UNIVERSE® is inside the electrical cocoon of a brown dwarf star.
A brown dwarf star is a bit like the planet Jupiter, larger but not big enough in conventional astrophysics to become a star from thermonuclear processes EU theory dismisses stars being products of thermonuclear processes anyway. And this is important for us here! We accept it! And accept the EU theory that stars get their energy from electricity flowing into them from outside.
”Wal Thornhill” wrote: Radiant energy is then evenly distributed over the entire surface of any planet orbiting within the chromosphere of such a star, regardless of axial rotation, tilt, or orbital eccentricity.
The exceedingly thin atmosphere of such stars has the essential water and carbon compounds to mist down onto planetary surfaces. The reddish light is ideal for photosynthesis
Again go with the flow.
”Wal Thornhill” wrote: Such a model provides one reason why the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) project is unlikely to succeed. Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment, and radio communication through the glow discharge of the star is impossible!
Now this..
”Wal Thornhill” wrote:Plasma physicists argue that stars are formed by an electromagnetic “pinch” effect on widely dispersed gas and dust. The “pinch” is created by the magnetic force between parallel current filaments that are part of the huge electric currents flowing inside a galaxy.
Simply put the source of the stars energy, heat and light is from outside, not an internal thermonuclear process... so given the brown dwarf's “electrical cocoon “ how is it powered?
That's the first QED contradiction.
”Wal Thornhill” wrote: We are not hopelessly isolated in time and space on a tiny rock, orbiting an insignificant star in an insignificant galaxy. We are hopefully connected with the power and intelligence of the universe.


We are not? But an exception - “our situation [The planet Earth] as a measure of a normal planetary system “ normal planets it seems are not “connected” but “hopelessly isolated”.. so Thornhill's hope is vain, most other intelligences in his universe are in an “electrical cocoon “ … “communication ... is impossible” An empty hope if not a contradiction.

Yet these brown dwarfs now have no power supply running in, if they did the inhabitants would be aware... so they would not last long! If at all get going. Nothing can get out, and one assumes nothing can get in. But we can see Brown Dwarfs … some light gets out! “ the glow discharge” - oops! though “radio communication through the glow discharge of the star is impossible” Why? Well common sense. We cant see stars in daylight. But we can! In radio frequencies. We actually can see the moon in daylight. And Brown Dwarfs are dim, and brown – of limited frequencies... only if the “electrical cocoon “ is absolute can no communication be possible. But it is not , we can see Brown Dwarfs, and should then see the effects of civilizations on them. The earth is now a stronger source of certain frequencies than the sun. These last points are not QED contradictions but a problem for EU.

Here is the QED. Power for stars comes from outside, Brown Dwarf stars are absolutely cocooned, yet we can see them, and in order to be a star in EU must be “connected”.
Contradiction – QED.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am

jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
Simply put the source of the stars energy, heat and light is from outside, not an internal thermonuclear process... so given the brown dwarf's “electrical cocoon “ how is it powered?
That's the first QED contradiction.
what contradiction? the brown dwarf is the cocoon, is that your problem? or are you referring to the double layer current sheets that enter through the poles to cause the discharge? either way there is no contradiction
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
”Wal Thornhill” wrote: We are not hopelessly isolated in time and space on a tiny rock, orbiting an insignificant star in an insignificant galaxy. We are hopefully connected with the power and intelligence of the universe.


We are not? But an exception - “our situation [The planet Earth] as a measure of a normal planetary system “ normal planets it seems are not “connected” but “hopelessly isolated”..
wut? connected by intergalactic electric filaments, not radio waves, is that your problem?
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
so Thornhill's hope is vain, most other intelligences in his universe are in an “electrical cocoon “ … “communication ... is impossible” An empty hope if not a contradiction.
what hope? for what? i dont think wal "hopes" to communicate with aliens, you are way off track here
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
Yet these brown dwarfs now have no power supply running in,
yes they do, birkeland currents, same as here on this planet, dont argue with me, even nasa admits double layer current sheets
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
if they did the inhabitants would be aware...
so you can see or feel the electric coming into the earth right now? please explain how you would be aware of this
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
so they would not last long!
wut? do you feel threatened by the birkeland currents in our own atmosphere?
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
If at all get going. Nothing can get out, and one assumes nothing can get in. But we can see Brown Dwarfs … some light gets out! “ the glow discharge” - oops!
is there a point to this word salad?
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
though “radio communication through the glow discharge of the star is impossible” Why? Well common sense. We cant see stars in daylight. But we can! In radio frequencies. We actually can see the moon in daylight. And Brown Dwarfs are dim, and brown – of limited frequencies... only if the “electrical cocoon “ is absolute can no communication be possible. But it is not , we can see Brown Dwarfs, and should then see the effects of civilizations on them.
so you posit we could see other life in the distant universe with current technology, nevermind you cant see life on earth from within our own solar system, this is just your ignorant conjecture
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
The earth is now a stronger source of certain frequencies than the sun. These last points are not QED contradictions but a problem for EU.
no problem, resonant frequencies are ordered harmonics not present in the orignal signal, you need to look up birkeland
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
Here is the QED. Power for stars comes from outside, Brown Dwarf stars are absolutely cocooned, yet we can see them, and in order to be a star in EU must be “connected”.
Contradiction – QED.
100% wrong, the brown dwarf forms a cocoon, there is your problem, he is not saying the cocoon is the brown dwarf it is made by it and inside life may develop, and once again yes they are connected, look up birkeland currents

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
Simply put the source of the stars energy, heat and light is from outside, not an internal thermonuclear process... so given the brown dwarf's “electrical cocoon “ how is it powered?
That's the first QED contradiction.
what contradiction? the brown dwarf is the cocoon, is that your problem? or are you referring to the double layer current sheets that enter through the poles to cause the discharge? either way there is no contradiction

Glad to see you addressing the points. The contradiction is the cocoon cuts off the inhabitants of the brown dwarf according to Thornhill, yet is created not from within. Ergo they are not cut off.
Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment
If anything entered their system via the poles – or from any other non internal source they would be aware of an outside. Contradicting Thornhill.
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
”Wal Thornhill” wrote: We are not hopelessly isolated in time and space on a tiny rock, orbiting an insignificant star in an insignificant galaxy. We are hopefully connected with the power and intelligence of the universe.


We are not? But an exception - “our situation [The planet Earth] as a measure of a normal planetary system “ normal planets it seems are not “connected” but “hopelessly isolated”..
wut? connected by intergalactic electric filaments, not radio waves, is that your problem?
Not my problem. In Thornhill's universe most intelligent life is not connected, but be “unaware that the universe exists”... unaware of electric filaments, stars, galaxies et al. Radio Waves, Light, everything outside of their Star. A star which we can look in at but one they then cant look out from at an outside universe.
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
so Thornhill's hope is vain, most other intelligences in his universe are in an “electrical cocoon “ … “communication ... is impossible” An empty hope if not a contradiction.
what hope? for what? i dont think wal "hopes" to communicate with aliens, you are way off track here
Well he hopes “We are hopefully connected with the power and intelligence of the universe.” but unfortunately not with most of the other intelligences in this universe. Who are “unaware that the universe exists”...
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
Yet these brown dwarfs now have no power supply running in,
yes they do, birkeland currents, same as here on this planet, dont argue with me, even nasa admits double layer current sheets
In which case these other intelligence would know of an external universe – contradicting Thornhill. I'm not arguing with you- i'm showing Thornhill's problem.
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
if they did the inhabitants would be aware...
so you can see or feel the electric coming into the earth right now? please explain how you would be aware of this
No – but there is evidence for it provided by EU theory. And they argue its 'observational'. So I accept this for argument, but then Thornhill speculates many more worlds with advanced intelligences where this is not ever possible to detect. Obviously then not being aware of the universe outside not that smart!
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
so they would not last long!
wut? do you feel threatened by the birkeland currents in our own atmosphere?
No. But they can be detected here – and power the cosmos, but in the case of most intelligence in the universe they could never become aware of anything outside or any flows from outside.
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
If at all get going. Nothing can get out, and one assumes nothing can get in. But we can see Brown Dwarfs … some light gets out! “ the glow discharge” - oops!
is there a point to this word salad?
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
though “radio communication through the glow discharge of the star is impossible” Why? Well common sense. We cant see stars in daylight. But we can! In radio frequencies. We actually can see the moon in daylight. And Brown Dwarfs are dim, and brown – of limited frequencies... only if the “electrical cocoon “ is absolute can no communication be possible. But it is not , we can see Brown Dwarfs, and should then see the effects of civilizations on them.
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
so you posit we could see other life in the distant universe with current technology, nevermind you cant see life on earth from within our own solar system, this is just your ignorant conjecture
No more conjecture than Brown Dwarfs having far more numerous intelligent creatures than us. And that in principle no communication with them is possible. Ever! Any intelligence 60 or less light years away would see an anomaly in the solar system in certain frequencies. Radio TV... Obviously not if they are on a Thornhill brown Dwarf.
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am

no problem, resonant frequencies are ordered harmonics not present in the orignal signal, you need to look up birkeland
The problem is in EU theory they in the main could never be detected by other intelligences.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am

100% wrong, the brown dwarf forms a cocoon, there is your problem, he is not saying the cocoon is the brown dwarf it is made by it and inside life may develop, and once again yes they are connected, look up birkeland currents
I quite agree that the brown dwarf forms the cocoon, but where is the source of its energy for doing this. Where is the source of the energy for the life inside the cocoon. If its not from inside, but outside, the beings would detect it. Or have a puzzle. They would have energy without any source! And in information terms effectively be living in a black hole!

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:28 am

jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
Glad to see you addressing the points. The contradiction is the cocoon cuts off the inhabitants of the brown dwarf according to Thornhill, yet is created not from within. Ergo they are not cut off.
the two statements do not contradict, the cocoon is powered by external birkeland currents, just like the earth, the discharge then produces radio frequency noise cutting them off from radio contact, where is the contradiction?
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment
If anything entered their system via the poles – or from any other non internal source they would be aware of an outside. Contradicting Thornhill.
are you trying to conflate radio communication with with other types of observation? still not sure what you think is contradictory
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
In Thornhill's universe most intelligent life is not connected, but be “unaware that the universe exists”... unaware of electric filaments, stars, galaxies et al. Radio Waves, Light, everything outside of their Star. A star which we can look in at but one they then cant look out from at an outside universe.
and how is this a problem?
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
Well he hopes “We are hopefully connected with the power and intelligence of the universe.” but unfortunately not with most of the other intelligences in this universe. Who are “unaware that the universe exists”...
hopefully= positive future outlook

connected to the power and intelligence of the universe, not all other life
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
In which case these other intelligence would know of an external universe – contradicting Thornhill.
that is your opinion, now come up with a scientific reason for thinking that
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
I'm not arguing with you- i'm showing Thornhill's problem.
youre right, youve presented no arguement, you certainly cannot point to any holes in wals thinking, the problem is all yours
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
if they did the inhabitants would be aware...
so you can see or feel the electric coming into the earth right now? please explain how you would be aware of this
No – but there is evidence for it provided by EU theory. And they argue its 'observational'. So I accept this for argument, but then Thornhill speculates many more worlds with advanced intelligences where this is not ever possible to detect. Obviously then not being aware of the universe outside not that smart!
your speculative assertion is opinion based, he uses science to make his point, namely the electric signature of a brown dwarf and how that colors your observations, what is your evidence that all advanced life would be aware of EU principles, you yourself arent aware of it, and no brown dwarf to cloud your view!
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
so you posit we could see other life in the distant universe with current technology, nevermind you cant see life on earth from within our own solar system, this is just your ignorant conjecture
No more conjecture than Brown Dwarfs having far more numerous intelligent creatures than us.
yes, but his conjecture is based in hard science, you are just flinging shit against the wall
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
no problem, resonant frequencies are ordered harmonics not present in the orignal signal, you need to look up birkeland
The problem is in EU theory they in the main could never be detected by other intelligences.
wrong, thats not EU theory, its a comment made by wal that you are stuck on because you cant parse the bigger picture
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
I quite agree that the brown dwarf forms the cocoon, but where is the source of its energy for doing this. Where is the source of the energy for the life inside the cocoon. If its not from inside, but outside, the beings would detect it. Or have a puzzle. They would have energy without any source! And in information terms effectively be living in a black hole!
this is just word salad, you do this because you dont care to form an understanding of the material, you are just here to argue and attempt to drive off those you dont agree with, you know almost nothing of EU theory but insist on trying to show it as pseudoscience, that is simple trolling, even so, here is your answer...

their energy would be coming from birkeland currents, just like here on earth, and they wouldnt be aware of it just like you arent because it takes a higher understanding of universal mechanics than you are willing to attain

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:07 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:28 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
Glad to see you addressing the points. The contradiction is the cocoon cuts off the inhabitants of the brown dwarf according to Thornhill, yet is created not from within. Ergo they are not cut off.
the two statements do not contradict, the cocoon is powered by external birkeland currents, just like the earth, the discharge then produces radio frequency noise cutting them off from radio contact, where is the contradiction?
Firstly - ignore radio communication " Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment," Why - it must be cut off by not just radio but by any indication of an existing outside universe in Thornhill. So the contradiction is the inhabitants would be aware of a power source not from within - which must then be from elsewhere. Else have no external source of power, which is not the EU model, and so not heat, light etc.
killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:28 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment
If anything entered their system via the poles – or from any other non internal source they would be aware of an outside. Contradicting Thornhill.
are you trying to conflate radio communication with with other types of observation? still not sure what you think is contradictory
As above - forget radio - they would have to not be aware of the source of external power, i.e. not receive it!
killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:28 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
In Thornhill's universe most intelligent life is not connected, but be “unaware that the universe exists”... unaware of electric filaments, stars, galaxies et al. Radio Waves, Light, everything outside of their Star. A star which we can look in at but one they then cant look out from at an outside universe.
and how is this a problem?
They couldn't be aware of the external source of power. i.e. not experience it. Also presumably light could NOT enter their world - or anything from outside. They in effect are in a black hole. Yet one we can see into.
killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:28 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
Well he hopes “We are hopefully connected with the power and intelligence of the universe.” but unfortunately not with most of the other intelligences in this universe. Who are “unaware that the universe exists”...
hopefully= positive future outlook

connected to the power and intelligence of the universe, not all other life
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:16 am
In which case these other intelligence would know of an external universe – contradicting Thornhill.
that is your opinion, now come up with a scientific reason for thinking that
Thornhill " Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment,"
So they are either connected - and so aware of the universe or dead.
In simple analogy - if you light a fire to keep alive but are insulated from it - you die of cold. If you are warmed by it - you know something outside is warming you.
killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:28 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
I'm not arguing with you- i'm showing Thornhill's problem.
youre right, youve presented no arguement, you certainly cannot point to any holes in wals thinking, the problem is all yours
Yes its simple - and I've stated it three times now. They are linked to the EU for power, they cant experience it. 4 times. Why cant they experience it... "Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment"
They would see no auroras, detect no electrical or magnetic or light energy outside. If this happened on earth - we would all die very quickly. No heat or light from the sun.
killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:28 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am

so you can see or feel the electric coming into the earth right now? please explain how you would be aware of this
No – but there is evidence for it provided by EU theory. And they argue its 'observational'. So I accept this for argument, but then Thornhill speculates many more worlds with advanced intelligences where this is not ever possible to detect. Obviously then not being aware of the universe outside not that smart!
your speculative assertion is opinion based, he uses science to make his point, namely the electric signature of a brown dwarf and how that colors your observations, what is your evidence that all advanced life would be aware of EU principles, you yourself arent aware of it, and no brown dwarf to cloud your view!
Its not a question of knowing any principles. However the Sun works - if i'm not aware of it, i.e. cant feel its heat or light - I die. Doesn't matter if I think its coal fired or a god. Not my speculation - 5x "Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment". If I make you unaware of everything outside - you get no heat, light, anything from the EU outside
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
so you posit we could see other life in the distant universe with current technology, nevermind you cant see life on earth from within our own solar system, this is just your ignorant conjecture
No more conjecture than Brown Dwarfs having far more numerous intelligent creatures than us.
yes, but his conjecture is based in hard science, you are just flinging shit against the wall
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
no problem, resonant frequencies are ordered harmonics not present in the orignal signal, you need to look up birkeland
The problem is in EU theory they in the main could never be detected by other intelligences.
wrong, thats not EU theory, its a comment made by wal that you are stuck on because you cant parse the bigger picture
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:12 am
I quite agree that the brown dwarf forms the cocoon, but where is the source of its energy for doing this. Where is the source of the energy for the life inside the cocoon. If its not from inside, but outside, the beings would detect it. Or have a puzzle. They would have energy without any source! And in information terms effectively be living in a black hole!
this is just word salad, you do this because you dont care to form an understanding of the material, you are just here to argue and attempt to drive off those you dont agree with, you know almost nothing of EU theory but insist on trying to show it as pseudoscience, that is simple trolling, even so, here is your answer...

their energy would be coming from birkeland currents, just like here on earth, and they wouldnt be aware of it just like you arent because it takes a higher understanding of universal mechanics than you are willing to attain
But i am aware of the heat and light. Aware diesnt mean know how it works.

"Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment,"

Exists! - not how it works. Humans have been aware of a universe outside for milenia... and had all kinds of theories for it.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:26 am

you are just rambling trash now, if you have a problem with wal then tell the thunderbolts people...
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/contact-us/

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by jliat » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:34 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:26 am
you are just rambling trash now, if you have a problem with wal then tell the thunderbolts people...
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/contact-us/
Thanks but no thanks. The "trash" as you put it a set of quotes of Thornhill's. I have no problem - they lead to a series of contradictions. So i can relegate the EU theory to being unlikely.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax - its end. Part 3.

Post by killing raven sun » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:41 am

jliat wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:34 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:26 am
you are just rambling trash now, if you have a problem with wal then tell the thunderbolts people...
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/contact-us/
Thanks but no thanks. The "trash" as you put it a set of quotes of Thornhill's. I have no problem - they lead to a series of contradictions. So i can relegate the EU theory to being unlikely.
:lol: ok mr science :lol:

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