Electric Universe hoax its end. Part 2

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Electric Universe hoax its end. Part 2

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:09 am

Electric Universe hoax its end. Part 2

Distant galaxies which look like other nearer ones must be in fact SMALLER!

Thornhill maintains via Halton Arp's theories, (now debunked) that the far distant galaxies we can see using modern telescopes and the like, Hubble, VLT... etc are in fact much closer than the red shift implies. (Red shift in general theories gives distance via speed away from us). Thornhill's universe is static.

OK “It is then common sense” Thornhill's phrase...
here is what you need to do. (you actually do this or imagine) get three objects of roughly the same size. Apples, a pen or pencil... Now in a reasonable size room place one as far away from you as you can, another around half way and keep one close. Now look carefully at all three and notice the effects of perspective. The one most far away will appear smallest. Now imagine that the room is actually much smaller than you thought. What does that mean? Well the sizes of the objects as they appear to you will not have changed. So the object which appeared small because of its distance, is now nearer, so the smallness isn't just its distance via perspective, it must actually be smaller! And the other object smaller than the one you have close but not as small as the one farthest away.

Common sense: So if the tiny galaxies we see now are much nearer then they must be much smaller than we thought. The stars in them smaller than stars in our galaxy. And the planets also smaller, and any people on them. And this size must get smaller the farther away they are, and now not be a result of distance but of actuality! As in our experiment and observation in the room. “The first question to be asked is – if it is that simple, why hasn’t it been thought of long ago? The answer seems to lie in the propensity for mathematical theory to supersede common sense and observation. “ Will Thornhill.

As crazy as it sounds that's what common sense via Thornhill's Electric Universe says.
And it follows that these smaller galaxies with smaller stars and smaller planets with smaller people -if they exist- would speak and communicate at much higher frequencies than we do. Smaller strings play higher notes - “ common sense and observation” which explains why we detect no life, they are too higher pitch for us to detect – save x rays!

So there – the EU universe is static but strange as we are the largest things in it. Else its much bigger than the EU theory. And though static- not uniform. The apparent smallness of distant objects being REAL. This gives us a finite size for the universe of that where distant objects are so small they cant be seen. They simply do not exist.

I think then the EU has a problem here.

We closed part 1 with “QED. A contradiction. “ can we do this in part 2. Before this – we should note space exploration would need to be aware that humans visiting distant planets might find them too small to land on and even if possible crush the tiny inhabitants. This effect appears in numerous sci fi stories.

Here is the contradiction. For Thornhill and EU time is constant. “time is universal” - Thornhill. So lets imagine a performance of the Minute Waltz on a very distant planet. It should take a minute, but being much smaller than the earth the tune would be of much higher pitch and so last far less than a minute. But as time is “universal” it would have to last an earth minute.
I use a naïve example – but everything would be speeded up, so a year less than ours, but could not be in regard to a universal time.

“QED. A contradiction. “

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Re: Electric Universe hoax its end. Part 2

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:29 am

wow, that was stupid, you infer way too many values for unknown variables, not the least of which is size and distance comparing known values to unknown without common reference

total fail

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Re: Electric Universe hoax its end. Part 2

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:32 am

btw, stupid, wal has an email, why not argue with him directly?

oh, cause that wouldnt help score points against daric :lol:

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Re: Electric Universe hoax its end. Part 2

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:48 pm

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:32 am
btw, stupid, wal has an email, why not argue with him directly?

oh, cause that wouldnt help score points against daric :lol:
Not aware of his email. And its impossible to score points with you, you have super human abilities. He was supposed to lecture in Birmingham but his site points to The Midland Institute - where there is nothing?

Any criticism of "you infer way too many 'values for unknown variables," just folds back to the EU theory. I'm using their data and the their model. Using Common sense and observation - and not values - remember not maths....

If similar objects are nearer than they seem they are smaller.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax its end. Part 2

Post by killing raven sun » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:26 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:48 pm
If similar objects are nearer than they seem they are smaller.
you dont know they are similar, its just a guess, you need to read more

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Re: Electric Universe hoax its end. Part 2

Post by jliat » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:40 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:26 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:48 pm
If similar objects are nearer than they seem they are smaller.
you dont know they are similar, its just a guess, you need to read more
Yes - but if so Thornhill's distant stars that conventional astronomy thinks similar to types nearer to us are actually similar, are in fact smaller...

If we makes the observed universe smaller - the object dont change in perceived size, small distant objects are small, not just down to distance. There is nothing wrong logically with that idea. (Thornhill's)

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Re: Electric Universe hoax its end. Part 2

Post by killing raven sun » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:44 am

this line of reasoning is worthless, you are really off track on this one, i cant help you understand your own flawed reasoning, cheers

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