Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

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Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:26 am

Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

A mistake made by the few main stream scientists who attack the EU theory is they use their science to do so which the EU “theorists” reject in the first place. Any undergrad phil-sci will know that one should examine the claims of any theory in itself... if this is applied to EU theory it either collapses or resorts to “We are hopefully connected with the power and intelligence of the universe” AKA Judaeo-Christian God the Father...

Part 1 The EU universe is both smaller than the general theories AND billions of times larger!
”Wal Thornhill” wrote: A simple calculation shows that the sub-particles that form an electron must travel at a speed far in excess of the speed of light – some 2.5 million light-years per second, or from here to the far side of the Andromeda galaxy in one second!
”Wal Thornhill” wrote: The visible universe is static and much smaller than we thought.

The reason being Halton Arp's theories, which advocate a steady state universe and a non expanding universe not evidenced by red shift. However the evidence is now far more supportive of expansion and size …
Since the 1960s, telescopes and astronomical instrumentation have advanced greatly: the Hubble Space Telescope was launched, and cosmological theory and observation has advanced considerably. Black holes and supermassive black holes have been directly as well as indirectly detected, extremely distant objects are routinely studied and contextualized, and multiple 8-10 meter telescopes (such as those at Keck Observatory and the Very Large Telescope) have become operational, and detectors such as CCDs are now more widely employed. These developments, have led to quasars being understood to be very distant active galaxies with high red shifts and . Many imaging surveys, most notably the Hubble Deep Field, have found many high-redshift objects that are not QSOs but that appear to be normal galaxies like those found nearby. The spectra of the high-redshift galaxies, as seen from X-ray to radio wavelengths, match the spectra of nearby galaxies (particularly galaxies with high levels of star formation activity but also galaxies with normal or extinguished star formation activity) when corrected for redshift effects.
But this is not important, as in the intro – it can be ignored - lets look instead at Thornhill's own 'work'.
”Wal Thornhill” wrote: We have no idea of the age or extent of the universe.
The knowable size of the universe is a function of information (about it) and in conventional science there is a limit given by the speed of light. Simply you cant measure what you cant 'see'. And light speed determines the maximum size of a knowable (aka visible) universe in the conventional theories. An event which occurs so far away the light will not reach us or has not yet is unknowable. Gives us the size of 45.7 billion light-years... of an observable universe... However if speeds of 2.5 million light-years per second are possible an event taking place 45.7 billion light years away would take only 5 hours or so to reach us. So at such speeds the observable universe is far far greater, 788,400 billion light years in size. (my maths might be a little out but the principle is clear) - the faster you can transmit information the further you can know. To have a conversation using light or radio waves with someone near Deneb (a star in Cygnus) would take 1,500 years each way, as such a conversation would be difficult. Using the Thornhill speed it would be far less than a few seconds, so communication and so potential knowledge is then possible.

The upshot is whilst Thornhill uses Arp's theories to 'make' the known universe smaller, his use of the work of Ralph Sansbury, 'makes' the knowable universe far bigger. But not infinite. Here i'm using 'common sense' more than complex maths...
“the universe in communication with its parts effectively in real-time,” “It is then common sense” Thornhill's phrase which i'm applying here to his 'work'. And not “the propensity for mathematical theory to supersede common sense and observation” - again to quote Thornhill.

He says “The visible universe is static and much smaller than we thought.” and yet proposes a “theory” which makes the visible universe many billions of times larger than is now generally thought in science. QED. A contradiction.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:30 am

what a joke, your half understood regurgitation is irrelevant

why do you insist on proving you dont understand the subject?

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:41 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:30 am
what a joke, your half understood regurgitation is irrelevant

why do you insist on proving you dont understand the subject?
Pity you cant say why. Faith not facts. And above all the facts are from the EU theories....

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:45 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:41 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:30 am
what a joke, your half understood regurgitation is irrelevant

why do you insist on proving you dont understand the subject?
Pity you cant say why. Faith not facts. And above all the facts are from the EU theories....
:lol: what a dipshit :lol:

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:40 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:26 am
He says “The visible universe is static and much smaller than we thought.” and yet proposes a “theory” which makes the visible universe many billions of times larger than is now generally thought in science. QED. A contradiction.
so, just to be clear, this is not a contradiction, there is one infinite universe, its not that hard to understand, you are just being willfully ignorant obviously

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:25 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:40 am
there is one infinite universe
particles are thought of as existing across all the possible states at the same time. It’s a bit like lots of waves overlapping each other. This situation is known as a superposition of states. If you’re thinking in terms of particles, it means a particle can be in two places at once. This doesn’t make intuitive sense but it’s one of the weird realities of quantum physics.
the visible universe is just that, the rest is only accessable through the mind, Mind is infinite, therefore the universe is infinite, even right now you are expanding that infinity of the Mind by reading these words

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:39 pm

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:25 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:40 am
there is one infinite universe
particles are thought of as existing across all the possible states at the same time. It’s a bit like lots of waves overlapping each other. This situation is known as a superposition of states. If you’re thinking in terms of particles, it means a particle can be in two places at once. This doesn’t make intuitive sense but it’s one of the weird realities of quantum physics.
the visible universe is just that, the rest is only accessable through the mind, Mind is infinite, therefore the universe is infinite, even right now you are expanding that infinity of the Mind by reading these words
Cool. Makes you either a German Idealist or a Lunatic. :roll:

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by killing raven sun » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:28 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:39 pm
Cool. Makes you either a German Idealist or a Lunatic. :roll:
yep, you are just here to fight, im sorry your life didnt work out, if trying to beat me up helps you deal with the pain then continue sad warrior

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by jliat » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:35 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:28 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:39 pm
Cool. Makes you either a German Idealist or a Lunatic. :roll:
yep, you are just here to fight, im sorry your life didnt work out, if trying to beat me up helps you deal with the pain then continue sad warrior
Sorry you feel beatean up and that i'm here to fight. The Cool... thing was a joke.... Hmmmm... better not try that again perhaps.

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by killing raven sun » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:41 am

jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:35 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:28 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:39 pm
Cool. Makes you either a German Idealist or a Lunatic. :roll:
yep, you are just here to fight, im sorry your life didnt work out, if trying to beat me up helps you deal with the pain then continue sad warrior
Sorry you feel beatean up and that i'm here to fight. The Cool... thing was a joke.... Hmmmm... better not try that again perhaps.
there it is! the proof that you just want to fight, nowhere did i say i felt beat up, i specifically qualified by using "try" but you need that victory so you change it to an affirmation, disingenous!, you are so desperate for a victory you pluck one out of thin air, you are pathetic james

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by jliat » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:16 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:41 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:35 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:28 am

yep, you are just here to fight, im sorry your life didnt work out, if trying to beat me up helps you deal with the pain then continue sad warrior
Sorry you feel beatean up and that i'm here to fight. The Cool... thing was a joke.... Hmmmm... better not try that again perhaps.
there it is! the proof that you just want to fight, nowhere did i say i felt beat up, i specifically qualified by using "try" but you need that victory so you change it to an affirmation, disingenous!, you are so desperate for a victory you pluck one out of thin air, you are pathetic james
No where did i say i could'nt read science, :P As i said elsewhere - you are never going to chhange, so any idea, if i had one, which i dont, of victory would be stupid. As you say arguing with you is like "flinging shit against the wall".

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by killing raven sun » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:29 am

jliat wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:16 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:41 am
jliat wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:35 am


Sorry you feel beatean up and that i'm here to fight. The Cool... thing was a joke.... Hmmmm... better not try that again perhaps.
there it is! the proof that you just want to fight, nowhere did i say i felt beat up, i specifically qualified by using "try" but you need that victory so you change it to an affirmation, disingenous!, you are so desperate for a victory you pluck one out of thin air, you are pathetic james
No where did i say i could'nt read science, :P As i said elsewhere - you are never going to chhange, so any idea, if i had one, which i dont, of victory would be stupid. As you say arguing with you is like "flinging shit against the wall".
which is why you are stupid little doggy :P

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Re: Electric Universe hoax – its end. Part 1

Post by jliat » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:43 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:29 am
jliat wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:16 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:41 am

there it is! the proof that you just want to fight, nowhere did i say i felt beat up, i specifically qualified by using "try" but you need that victory so you change it to an affirmation, disingenous!, you are so desperate for a victory you pluck one out of thin air, you are pathetic james
No where did i say i could'nt read science, :P As i said elsewhere - you are never going to chhange, so any idea, if i had one, which i dont, of victory would be stupid. As you say arguing with you is like "flinging shit against the wall".
which is why you are stupid little doggy :P
Well if i'm the doggy and you are the wall.... the next bit is obvious.... oh its a joke ffs. :wall:


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