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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:05 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:17 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
Yes i'm familiar with this pop-physics type of thing.
pop physics? from mit? da fuck is wrong with you?
Nothing is wrong with me! Daric there are these things called 'books' and shops which sell them, and often
there is a section called 'popular science'. That's science written for non specialists to read. Some are written by science
journalists, whilst others by scientists themselves, such as Stephen Hawking's Brief History of Time. Sometimes these people
give public lectures for the general public, as opposed to presenting specialist papers to their peers. The video you posted was one such example. OK? Clear on this now? So what you get is the 'popular' narrative of science, not the actual science.
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:17 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
To paraphrase - she wants to understand the standard model,
yeah, i already paraphrased what she said
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
find out where it breaks down so as to learn new things...
but ten minutes in she delineates exactly the major problems, the breakdowns are already well known
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
this is typical of science.
she advocates making better models of the broken model but gee we dont have the computational power, so the future is where she lives, total insanity
The model is actually very good, but no model is perfect. That's how science works. It abstracts from unique events concepts. Now a concept is a generality. Take for instance DMT, (well you do!) the effects described scientifically will be general, each person taking the drug will have a unique experience, not a general one. And yes - scientists need equipment to test their theories - in the real world, (they don't simply take LSD and note the revelations given...) and yes she looks to a better - not perfect - understanding of the real world. Now that is sanity, insanity is where people think they are Napoleon, or God, or know everything. (Or they may be tripping...)
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:17 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 am
The alternative, to just drop some acid and get the knowledge direct from the god head is much cheaper, and as you know, absolute!
no, the alternative is to do real science based on observation and experimentation, but im not surpised you dont know that :roll:
That is what she actually does, evidence from experiments to confirm or refute an hypotheses. Not base an idea of reality on some hallucination from a now very trendy drug.

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:07 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:19 am
james, stop being a dumb cunt.
Excuse me, i'm not basing my ideas regading reality on some halluenogentic drug induced state!

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:26 am

more dumb cunttery, i like how your attempted rebuttal above depends on grossly misunderstanding the girl in the video, you are now trying to score points with the drug angle which is hilarious considering i am far more lucid than you are, so fuck you james :lol:

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:26 am
more dumb cunttery, i like how your attempted rebuttal above depends on grossly misunderstanding the girl in the video, you are now trying to score points with the drug angle which is hilarious considering i am far more lucid than you are, so fuck you james :lol:
I dont think lucidity is calling someone a cunt. As for misunderstanding the woman, she claimed The Standard Model has been remarkably successful in explanation of physics, which seems generally the case. However recent experiments and observations, neutrino masses, possible Dark Matter, are not explained by the theory. So more work needs to be done, in experimental terms, and mathematical modelling. You say she denies experiment and observation, but as above, its not true.

As for scoring points over the dug angle, no. Ayahuasca, it seems has been beneficial in helping people with depression and other mental issues, and as far as i can see has no major side effects. However to base a theory of cosmology on ones experience of an ayahuasca 'trip' is to say the least dubious and foolish. Its the case that different experiences occur for different people, so you would have many different 'cosmological' models... though yours does include the general hallucinationary "spiritual revelations regarding their purpose on earth, the true nature of the universe, and deep insight into how to be the best person they possibly can." Unfortunately Daric these are not real.

So no, you are far from lucid. E.g.

"please do not be disturbed by ripples in time, this is powerful emotional slavery, what is happening right now is enough to deal with and even then most cant control the physical fight or flight mechanism "

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
I dont think lucidity is calling someone a cunt.
thats just your cunt opinion
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
As for misunderstanding the woman, she claimed The Standard Model has been remarkably successful in explanation of physics, which seems generally the case. However recent experiments and observations, neutrino masses, possible Dark Matter, are not explained by the theory. So more work needs to be done, in experimental terms, and mathematical modelling. You say she denies experiment and observation, but as above, its not true.
more deliberate misunderstanding, she points out gigantic holes in the model but her opinion is that it is still useful, so what? she wants to model her mathematics, not reality, theres the problem, just like the fakers at cern and iter, she explicitly denies experimentation when discussing the proton measurement and thinks more modelling is the answer, this is definitely the state of many sciences now, abandon observation for mathematical conjecture, man puts himself above nature without merit
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
Ayahuasca
never done it, i said my telescope is made of it, big difference
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
Unfortunately Daric these are not real.
nobody cares what an idiot like you thinks is real :lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
So no, you are far from lucid.
nobody cares what an idiot like you thinks is lucid :lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
"please do not be disturbed by ripples in time, this is powerful emotional slavery, what is happening right now is enough to deal with and even then most cant control the physical fight or flight mechanism "
this is really good advice, a healthy mind doesnt dwell in the past or future, they are compartments for information but there is no need to be emotional about it, if the stored emotions build up they form a plaque which dampens the electric potential and can form tumors and other diseases, all of what i say is backed by little known medical science, and even now it is being discovered that marijuana has many healing properties, not the least of which is on the mind body connection which is the meaning of life

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:06 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
I dont think lucidity is calling someone a cunt.
thats just your cunt opinion
No I think it more than that, just mouthing abuse - or attempting to, is not lucid. You seem angry and losing it.
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am

more deliberate misunderstanding, she points out gigantic holes
Nowhere does she point to gigantic holes - in her pop science presentation - you get that now?
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am
in the model but her opinion is that it is still useful, so what?
So its the best explanation, and one of the best in modern science it seems for prediction and explanation.
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am
she wants to model her mathematics, not reality, theres the problem, just like the fakers at cern and iter,
You need to provide evidence for that, they are peer reviewed experiments and papers... unlike the EU guys.
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am
she explicitly denies experimentation when discussing the proton measurement and thinks more modelling is the answer, this is definitely the state of many sciences now, abandon observation for mathematical conjecture, man puts himself above nature without merit
You are such a dunderhead, mathematics has always been the tool of real science, from Plato, Aristotle, through Galileo Galilei, Newton, Maxwell, Einstein…. as opposed to looking in tea leaves etc. As for the proton - she actually compares observations with the models and at 33 minutes there is a slide “conflicting experimental results”...
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
Ayahuasca
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am
never done it, i said my telescope is made of it, big difference
Yes a big difference – you look through a bucket of leaves and bark and see the sky is light all over.. so you are crazy before even imbibing! I dont think so, why say all this now after five posts. So you didnt take any just looked through it! Please.
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
Unfortunately Daric these are not real.
nobody cares what an idiot like you thinks is real :lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
So no, you are far from lucid.
nobody cares what an idiot like you thinks is lucid :lol:
Some do.
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 am
"please do not be disturbed by ripples in time, this is powerful emotional slavery, what is happening right now is enough to deal with and even then most cant control the physical fight or flight mechanism "
this is really good advice, a healthy mind doesnt dwell in the past or future, they are compartments for information but there is no need to be emotional about it, if the stored emotions build up they form a plaque which dampens the electric potential and can form tumors and other diseases, all of what i say is backed by little known medical science, and even now it is being discovered that marijuana has many healing properties, not the least of which is on the mind body connection which is the meaning of life
There's also evidence that it dumbs the mind. So are you saying you get your “knowledge” from marijuana now, as well as looking into Ayahuasca!

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:19 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:06 am
No I think
more cunt opinion :lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:06 am
So its the best explanation,
no its not, but being science illiterate i guess you wouldnt know, a model thats mostly holes is never the best explanation
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:06 am
You need to provide evidence
no i dont, you need to learn, its on you to understand, not me
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:06 am
As for the proton - she actually compares observations with the models and at 33 minutes there is a slide “conflicting experimental results”...
derp, yep, and her solution to the conflict is to make more models instead of more observation, dunderhead
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:06 am
So you didnt take any just looked through it! Please.
indeed i did, when you raise your perception to my level you can see much better
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:06 am
There's also evidence that it dumbs the mind.
no there isnt, more cunttery!

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:32 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:19 am
...
Sorry you will need to show just how the expression "you need a better telescope, mine is made from ayahuasca" is lucid other than as a metaphor for taking it!


Cannabis, also known as marijuana among other names,[n 1] is a psychoactive drug
A psychoactive drug, psychopharmaceutical, or psychotropic is a chemical substance that changes brain function and results in alterations in perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, or behavior. Concerns include memory and cognition problems, risk of addiction, schizophrenia in young people...

.. effects can include altered body image, auditory and/or visual illusions, pseudohallucinations and ataxia from selective impairment of polysynaptic reflexes. In some cases, cannabis can lead to dissociative states such as depersonalization and derealization

Cannabis has also been associated with an earlier onset of psychosis
So you take / have taken marijuana as another means to knowledge? Please dont bother to answer that's a private thing - but - just explain as lucidly as you can what you mean by "a better telescope, mine is made from ayahuasca"

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:36 am

RE - eraserhead -
"have you ever seen that movie? cause it takes a lot of drugs to really get it, most people overdose trying"

So Daric - you get the movie?

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:52 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:32 am
Sorry you will need to show¬
i dont owe you anything, stop projecting your deficit onto me

Cannabis, also known as marijuana among other names,[n 1] is a psychoactive drug
A psychoactive drug, psychopharmaceutical, or psychotropic is a chemical substance that changes brain function and results in alterations in perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, or behavior. Concerns include memory and cognition problems, risk of addiction, schizophrenia in young people...

.. effects can include altered body image, auditory and/or visual illusions, pseudohallucinations and ataxia from selective impairment of polysynaptic reflexes. In some cases, cannabis can lead to dissociative states such as depersonalization and derealization

Cannabis has also been associated with an earlier onset of psychosis
if you are going to unironically quote baseless opinion from wiki and present it as fact without supporting evidence at least remove the inactive hyperlinks asshole
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:06 am
explain as lucidly as you can what you mean by "a better telescope, mine is made from ayahuasca"
youre the philosopher, you tell me what it means that ayahuasca is a thing, what is perception james?

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:05 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:52 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:32 am
Sorry you will need to show¬
i dont owe you anything, stop projecting your deficit onto me
Fine if you cant show - "you need a better telescope, mine is made from ayahuasca" is lucid other than as a metaphor for taking it!
Then you get your "insights" by using powerful hallucinogenic drugs...
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:52 am


youre the philosopher, you tell me what it means that ayahuasca is a thing, what is perception james?
ayahuasca is a popular hallucinogenic drug and the phrase "a better telescope, mine is made from ayahuasca" suggests using this is a better way of understanding the cosmos than a 'real' telescope. Perception. 'The ordering of the Manifold of sensations' is a working definition. Though i'm not a philosopher.

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:23 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:05 am
Fine if you cant show
much remains hidden to those who wont see, you are not my problem, if there is something you dont understand then that is on you
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:05 am
the phrase "a better telescope, mine is made from ayahuasca" suggests using this is a better way of understanding the cosmos than a 'real' telescope.
the only thing a telescope does is gather information

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:23 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:05 am
Fine if you cant show
much remains hidden to those who wont see, you are not my problem, if there is something you dont understand then that is on you
Of course i'm a great problem to you, you get so angry you simply can only mouth obscenities. And I agree understanding is down to the person who wants it, and no recourse to others to do this for you or drugs is of help.
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:05 am
the phrase "a better telescope, mine is made from ayahuasca" suggests using this is a better way of understanding the cosmos than a 'real' telescope.
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:23 am
the only thing a telescope does is gather information
Well for starters its not information its data. "Greek teleskopos "far-seeing," from tele- "far" (from PIE root *kwel- (2) "far" in space or time) + -skopos "watcher" "
Which is processed into information.
You seem to be desperately trying to squirm out of this, first you mistakenly think the sky is bright when viewed through a telescope, "when viewed through a telescope the sky is all lights everywhere you look" You cant look or see through ayahuasca literally, so the only other sense is metaphorical, i.e. in using the drug. Unless you are jist babling nonsense?

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:49 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
Of course i'm a great problem to you,
ah! :lol: there it is! how cute, once again you coyly admit your real interest here :lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
you get so angry you simply can only mouth obscenities.
you can see my mouth? :lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
And I agree understanding is down to the person who wants it, and no recourse to others to do this for you or drugs is of help.
:lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
You seem to be desperately trying to squirm out of this, first you mistakenly think the sky is bright when viewed through a telescope,
gee thats because space is filled with light and literally every cosmologist agrees, just because you cant see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist :lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
You cant look or see through ayahuasca literally
yes i can, its only a word james

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:08 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:49 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
Of course i'm a great problem to you,
ah! :lol: there it is! how cute, once again you coyly admit your real interest here :lol:
Me coy? I don't think so. My interest is in the crazy ideas being presented by some people. You are not alone in doing this, and as its a discussion board, I discuss the ideas presented. I'm not interested in the personalities - sorry. Which is why I try to avoid personal attacks, though sometimes not, given sufficient provocation.
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:49 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
you get so angry you simply can only mouth obscenities.
you can see my mouth? :lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
And I agree understanding is down to the person who wants it, and no recourse to others to do this for you or drugs is of help.
:lol:
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
You seem to be desperately trying to squirm out of this, first you mistakenly think the sky is bright when viewed through a telescope,
gee thats because space is filled with light and literally every cosmologist agrees, just because you cant see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist :lol:
But you claimed to see it by looking through a telescope, you were wrong, but that's OK. And no, space isn't filled with light, that's why cosmologists for hundreds of years had the Olbers' paradox..."In astrophysics and physical cosmology, Olbers' paradox, named after the German astronomer Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers, also known as the "dark night sky paradox"" i.e. the sky isn't filled with light.
killing raven sun wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:49 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:39 am
You cant look or see through ayahuasca literally
yes i can, its only a word james
Words attach to things... they are never "only".

Glad you are now taking this more humorously :lol:

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