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ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

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Post by jliat » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:24 am

We have now seen several messages from Thornhill, forwarded by
Dave Talbott. They are so bizarre that it it difficult to understand
how to respond. Without ever offering a particularly good reason (nor
for that matter, even a particularly bad one), Thornhill simply and
expediently denies the validity of all physics.

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The electric universe concept does not meet the National Academy of Sciences’ definition of a “theory,” which is “a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence” and “can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.” In physics, theories need math. That’s how you predict, gather evidence, verify, disprove, and support. But EU theory isn’t big on math. In fact, “Mathematics is not physics,” Thornhill said.

The gaps in electric universe theory do drive followers from the fold. David, a former enthusiast who now calls EU an “anti-science cult” and wished to use only his first name, was undone when someone asked about Thornhill’s latest electric explanation of gravity. “When I looked into it, I was literally flabbergasted at how stupid it was,” he said. “I really was ashamed that I had ever listened to a word Thornhill said.”

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:46 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:24 am
We have now seen several messages from Thornhill, forwarded by
Dave Talbott. They are so bizarre that it it difficult to understand
how to respond. Without ever offering a particularly good reason (nor
for that matter, even a particularly bad one), Thornhill simply and
expediently denies the validity of all physics.
tim thompson, oddly absent from the arguement since 2001, not that he was really ever in it

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:02 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:06 am
The electric universe concept does not meet the National Academy of Sciences’ definition of a “theory,” which is “a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence” and “can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.” In physics, theories need math. That’s how you predict, gather evidence, verify, disprove, and support. But EU theory isn’t big on math. In fact, “Mathematics is not physics,” Thornhill said.

The gaps in electric universe theory do drive followers from the fold. David, a former enthusiast who now calls EU an “anti-science cult” and wished to use only his first name, was undone when someone asked about Thornhill’s latest electric explanation of gravity. “When I looked into it, I was literally flabbergasted at how stupid it was,” he said. “I really was ashamed that I had ever listened to a word Thornhill said.”
sarah scoles, liberal feminist and lifelong science cheerleader writing propaganda pieces for whoever will publish, her opinion on the subject is worthless, she avoids science altogether so is irrelevant

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:14 pm

You seemed to have "missed" my thread on profound ignorance - so here is a snip-

Wally shows in his own words how the EU is fraught with problems...
jliat wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:27 am

“Wal Thornhill” wrote:
The consequences and possibilities in an ELECTRIC UNIVERSE® are far-reaching. First we must acknowledge our profound ignorance!
Given this then how can anything be maintained if this is true?
“Wal Thornhill” wrote: We know nothing of the origin of the universe. There was no Big Bang.
If one knows nothing of the origin of the universe one can not affirm anything- such as there was or was not a big bang. Simple logic.
“Wal Thornhill” wrote:
The visible universe is static and much smaller than we thought.
No evidence – and megaliths clearly show alignments to stars which are now in different positions.
The earth is not static, or is the sun, or Galaxy. The former is as obvious as night and day!
“Wal Thornhill” wrote: We have no idea of the age or extent of the universe.
Then another contradiction – if it is true that Thornhill et al have “profound ignorance” then true they can have no idea of the “extent of the universe”, but it follows that they can't then propose
“The visible universe is … much smaller than we thought.”

You seem unable to address these and other points... but maybe my second point is weak - i'll give you that - it might be impossible to say how the universe began - but that it couldn't be a big bang... but then one would need evidence for that argument. (no e). :doh:

The "smaller than we thought" though - elsewhere Thornhill gives the distance of the Andromeda Galaxy as that of the science he denies.. one of many examples...

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Post by killing raven sun » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:00 am

jliat wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:14 pm
You seem unable to address these and other points...
you have no points, just an opinion, if you have a scientific question, then i reply, but you dont understand the science, so really you are just trolling

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Post by jliat » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:36 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:00 am
jliat wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:14 pm
You seem unable to address these and other points...
you have no points, just an opinion, if you have a scientific question, then i reply, but you dont understand the science, so really you are just trolling
Sorry Daric you missed my post re the EU and Thornhill. It's not opinion when he says one thing then the opposite. He states the universe is static , yet 'evolves' - he states "We have no idea of the age or extent of the universe." but that "The visible universe is static and much smaller than we thought. "


Unsupported opinion contradiction and logical falisy. If the visible universe is smaller than we thought yet he has no idea of the extent of the universe, then what is the universe other than what is visible - yep DARK. opps!

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:15 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:36 am
Sorry Daric you missed my post re the EU and Thornhill. It's not opinion when he says one thing then the opposite.
i think this would be a good point at which to stop and review what james has said regarding his understanding of science, "i dont understand science papers so i dont read them", so when he does these little "gotcha" moment things about science remember that he doesnt know what he is talking about and it is just a simple misunderstanding on his part

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:06 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:15 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:36 am
Sorry Daric you missed my post re the EU and Thornhill. It's not opinion when he says one thing then the opposite.
i think this would be a good point at which to stop and review what james has said regarding his understanding of science, "i dont understand science papers so i dont read them", so when he does these little "gotcha" moment things about science remember that he doesnt know what he is talking about and it is just a simple misunderstanding on his part
"i dont understand science papers so i dont read them", should read -" i cant do the complex maths. "

Its good you now see i do have an undersranding though "you posit that you can determine between "real" science and pseudoscience, how exactly?" - to which you now know how.

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:14 am

no, you ignore everything i post as evidence of an electric universe, you even argue with thousands of scientists all over the world who now realize that electricity runs the universe, or you just want to score points and try to hurt me because you are a psychopathic loser

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:32 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:14 am
no, you ignore everything i post as evidence of an electric universe, you even argue with thousands of scientists all over the world who now realize that electricity runs the universe, or you just want to score points and try to hurt me because you are a psychopathic loser
Actually not true as you can see - i've taken you seriously. As for many thousands of scientists all over the world - not qualified in the fields in which they speak, if qualified at all. And yes i and millions of scientists and philosophers of science argue counter.

Daric - dont be swayed by numbers, do some thinking of your OWN.


As for loser - whats to win?

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:44 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:32 am
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:14 am
no, you ignore everything i post as evidence of an electric universe, you even argue with thousands of scientists all over the world who now realize that electricity runs the universe, or you just want to score points and try to hurt me because you are a psychopathic loser
Actually not true as you can see - i've taken you seriously.
:lol: a quick review of you post history shows you are just a buffoon :lol:
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:32 am
As for many thousands of scientists all over the world - not qualified in the fields in which they speak, if qualified at all.
argue with the AGU then...

https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Electric+Cu ... 1119324492
https://eos.org/editors-vox/electric-cu ... n-the-show
Already in 1779, the American scientist, inventor and politician, Benjamin Franklin, spoke of a “quantity of electricity” in the atmosphere causing the aurora borealis.

Much later, in 1908, the Norwegian pioneer of space physics, Kristian Birkeland, laid out a first theory of electric currents reaching out to space.

All this happened long before the advent of the space age, when the first in situ evidence for the existence of space currents was obtained using satellites in the 1960s.

It is now understood that outer space is fundamentally electrical in nature.
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:32 am
And yes i and millions of scientists and philosophers of science argue counter.
:lol: no, you are delusional :lol:
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:32 am
Daric - dont be swayed by numbers, do some thinking of your OWN.
:lol:
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:32 am
As for loser - whats to win?
you tell me, its your game

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Re: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE

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