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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:15 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:53 pm
Though nothing from 2013 on, and no physical releases just two 'free' bandcamps, nothing using the wastedbaby on discogs, hardly then an indication of any serious commitment to noise or anything.
once again you let your dementia do the talking, why do you assume so much? do you think you know everything? why are you following me around trying to defame me? are you obsessed? you are seriously ill, please get help
jliat wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:53 pm
As I've said before the 'originality' of noise has been replaced by more 'musical', 'expressive' and even 'therapeutic' purposes. All the original moves away from those, and away from skill replaced by such. It might be more the case now of the impossibility of noise as it was in its origins.
james, nobody cares that you dont understand noise

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:15 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:53 pm
Though nothing from 2013 on, and no physical releases just two 'free' bandcamps, nothing using the wastedbaby on discogs, hardly then an indication of any serious commitment to noise or anything.
once again you let your dementia do the talking, why do you assume so much? do you think you know everything? why are you following me around trying to defame me? are you obsessed? you are seriously ill, please get help
jliat wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:53 pm
As I've said before the 'originality' of noise has been replaced by more 'musical', 'expressive' and even 'therapeutic' purposes. All the original moves away from those, and away from skill replaced by such. It might be more the case now of the impossibility of noise as it was in its origins.
james, nobody cares that you dont understand noise
Daric lots of people care and think i do understand noise. That is why they invite me to conferences, and ask for papers, and review noise releases etc. You seem to have some problems! with this dating back at least five years it seems.

And i quite understand people want to do there own thing and can then attach the term 'noise' as well as 'experimental', or even Avant Garde. Which is fine but in many cases simply wrong. There are people right now painting 'impressionist' pictures - which of course are nothing of the sort.

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:51 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
Daric lots of people care and think i do understand noise.
lots of people are dangerously stupid, so what?
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
That is why they invite me to conferences, and ask for papers, and review noise releases etc.
you like circle jerks, got it

maybe those people should know you dont make or listen to noise, which makes you irrelevant
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
You seem to have some problems!
well you at least seem to hope this!
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
with this dating back at least five years it seems.
heres the problem with the demented mind, you think we know what you are thinking so dont fully commmunicate your thoughts, you post a lot of incomplete thoughts
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
And i quite understand people want to do there own thing and can then attach the term 'noise' as well as 'experimental', or even Avant Garde. Which is fine but in many cases simply wrong. There are people right now painting 'impressionist' pictures - which of course are nothing of the sort.
james, seriously, nobody cares what you think, thats why you waste your time here trying to make me look bad, think about it, you are a textbook loser

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:51 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
Daric lots of people care and think i do understand noise.
lots of people are dangerously stupid, so what?
so you were wrong when you said nobody cares and do think I understand noise.
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:51 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
That is why they invite me to conferences, and ask for papers, and review noise releases etc.
you like circle jerks, got it
No. I enjoy discussing theory.
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:51 am

maybe those people should know you dont make or listen to noise, which makes you irrelevant
They do know, unlike you I've made noise very recently, and you didn't get the point, that with noise one doesn't have to listen to it.
I know it may be a puzzle, but there are others like the conceptual poets who write texts which don't have to be read. Or say much older work of Ono, and Cage, La Monte Young who likewise were making music which doesn't have to be listened to. So within the genres of art and music its no new idea. And they are aware. I've told you this before, you seem not to grasp it.
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:51 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
You seem to have some problems!
well you at least seem to hope this!
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
with this dating back at least five years it seems.
heres the problem with the demented mind, you think we know what you are thinking so dont fully commmunicate your thoughts, you post a lot of incomplete thoughts
I try my best to communicate some ideas, but yes some refuse to understand. But this is their condition. I'm aware of that. As if Post-Modernism was just my idea...! etc. Here is an example - you think those people are not aware of musics which needn't be listed to, but they are. And there are lots of examples. I can point them out, try to get hold of Ono's grapefruit, or Cage's 0'00"...listen as much you will not hear it. So here is the idea, 'there are some musics which you need not or in some cases can not hear'. Do you understand this?
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:51 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am
And i quite understand people want to do there own thing and can then attach the term 'noise' as well as 'experimental', or even Avant Garde. Which is fine but in many cases simply wrong. There are people right now painting 'impressionist' pictures - which of course are nothing of the sort.
james, seriously, nobody cares what you think, thats why you waste your time here trying to make me look bad, think about it, you are a textbook loser
Seriously they do, i've shown so above, i can give more, and more details. Or do i try to make you look bad, or want to. As for wasting time, its my time. If you think posting here is for losers - do you include yourself. But I beg to differ.

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:37 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
so you were wrong when you said nobody cares and do think I understand noise.
nope, youre a loser, nobody cares, thats why you are still following me around little doggy, because you have no friends
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
unlike you I've made noise very recently,
:lol: you dont know shit about me, you might have one of my records or tapes and never know, im not an attention whore like you
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
and you didn't get the point, that with noise one doesn't have to listen to it.
well a liar fake like you sure, you are just a poser
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
I know it may be a puzzle, but there are others like the conceptual poets who write texts which don't have to be read. Or say much older work of Ono, and Cage, La Monte Young who likewise were making music which doesn't have to be listened to. So within the genres of art and music its no new idea. And they are aware. I've told you this before, you seem not to grasp it.
no really, i fully understand you are an elitist poser
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
I try my best to communicate some ideas, but yes some refuse to understand. But this is their condition. I'm aware of that. As if Post-Modernism was just my idea...! etc. Here is an example - you think those people are not aware of musics which needn't be listed to, but they are. And there are lots of examples. I can point them out, try to get hold of Ono's grapefruit, or Cage's 0'00"...listen as much you will not hear it. So here is the idea, 'there are some musics which you need not or in some cases can not hear'. Do you understand this?
do you understand you are an elitist bullshitter and nobody cares about that shit?
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
As for wasting time, its my time.
yep, and because you are a loney ignored loser you waste it here following me around like a love sick puppy
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
If you think posting here is for losers - do you include yourself. But I beg to differ.
straw man, you are the only loser on this board, man you are weak, its hard to believe you have any self respect left after so many embarassing posts, you cant even use the correct form of "their" but you think you are some kind of academic, total loser

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:22 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:37 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
so you were wrong when you said nobody cares and do think I understand noise.
nope, youre a loser, nobody cares, thats why you are still following me around little doggy, because you have no friends
I'm not the one obsessing - your last 'noise' piece 5 years ago... the ONLY piece, and titled "Responses to JLIAT"..
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:37 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
unlike you I've made noise very recently,
:lol: you dont know shit about me, you might have one of my records or tapes and never know, im not an attention whore like you
AS I said i'm not the one making free Bandcamp noise pieces "Responses to JLIAT" - the only work you will own up to making!
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:37 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
and you didn't get the point, that with noise one doesn't have to listen to it.
well a liar fake like you sure, you are just a poser
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:37 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
I know it may be a puzzle, but there are others like the conceptual poets who write texts which don't have to be read. Or say much older work of Ono, and Cage, La Monte Young who likewise were making music which doesn't have to be listened to. So within the genres of art and music its no new idea. And they are aware. I've told you this before, you seem not to grasp it.
no really, i fully understand you are an elitist poser
Obviously you don't understand. You seem just obsessed with name calling.
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:37 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
I try my best to communicate some ideas, but yes some refuse to understand. But this is their condition. I'm aware of that. As if Post-Modernism was just my idea...! etc. Here is an example - you think those people are not aware of musics which needn't be listed to, but they are. And there are lots of examples. I can point them out, try to get hold of Ono's grapefruit, or Cage's 0'00"...listen as much you will not hear it. So here is the idea, 'there are some musics which you need not or in some cases can not hear'. Do you understand this?
do you understand you are an elitist bullshitter and nobody cares about that shit?
You care so much you are fuming with rage it seems and of course your only release you own up to was "Responses to JLIAT"
so without JLIAT - you would have produced zero noise...
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:37 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
As for wasting time, its my time.
yep, and because you are a loney ignored loser you waste it here following me around like a love sick puppy
You've said this over but its you who needs JLIAT to respond to...
killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:37 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am
If you think posting here is for losers - do you include yourself. But I beg to differ.
straw man, you are the only loser on this board, man you are weak, its hard to believe you have any self respect left after so many embarassing posts, you cant even use the correct form of "their" but you think you are some kind of academic, total loser
Thanks for spotting the typo. And its probably a good thing that no one else is probably reading this, but in the off chance. If one sets out to make art / music and present it to others the first thing to be aware of is not beiong afraid, and not to be embarssed. Self respect also is more likely the general respect from others. In the main one is ignored. So my advice is to ignore all this and keep producing material. And eventually you might get some attention. Though not always good. And often quite surprisinbg vitrol from some. However they are often acting from some cause otherb than anything like a critique of actual work.

And sadly forums like this often do have people who generally have no interest in noise or music, but need therapy. So dont get upset when they spew out personal abuse.

Of course one response is not to bother, quit, but that is precisely what they want.

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:19 am

Have you engineered/mastered noise release in encoded THX 7.1 surround sound yet?
or at least for fucks sake have engineered encoded Quadraphonic Vinyl Masters...
get busy slacker
alrighty looks like "nice" time is over
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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:34 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:19 am
Have you engineered/mastered noise release in encoded THX 7.1 surround sound yet?
or at least for fucks sake have engineered encoded Quadraphonic Vinyl Masters...
back the fuck off
this is not our first ever rodeo

I've no idea who you are addressing here.

But for my part i've never been a recording engineer. And so no idea of the point you are trying to make....

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 am

some of us may refute your dogmatic academia "authority" on the subject of "noise"
from not being anywhere near "novice" levels on the subject
thus we aren't required buying your books or rhetoric in the syllabus
plus we can hear your actual output combined with the projected conceptualism
get that you give lectures on the subject
we don't need it
~shrug~
not in the same school
much less the same class
don't require your critiques
we would get along better talking about gear
yet sort of would prefer not getting stuck playing teacher now
the entire episode seems so absurd for me

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:39 am

Here's an idea
why don't you go see Current93/NWW in London then post show review for us
(not that won't be getting other reports of the show via email:P)
go have some pints & some fun
don't get robbed or stabbed
instead of wasting time/energy here constantly quarreling
then maybe we will want reading what you are posting
go get some XP
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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:41 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 am
some of us may refute your dogmatic academia "authority" on the subject of "noise"
I claim no authority on noise and never had. The only time I've mentioned my writing on noise has been in response to Daric (and maybe others) who say that no one is interested or bothered with my ideas. This is simply not true. I'd rather talk about gear, but also the motivation for noise, its history and the ideas (or not) behind it. So I've never claimed any authority and I do not distinguish between 'levels'- there are none for me in noise. What any of that has to do with encoded THX 7.1? And nice time over?
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 am
from not being anywhere near "novice" levels on the subject
But you are literally a no body... no track record no CV to check. Zero. Nothing- just one bandcamp piece You claim to have worked with Whitehouse - but that is just that- an empty claim- and they were PE anyway!
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 am
thus we aren't required buying your books or rhetoric in the syllabus
plus we can hear your actual output combined with the projected conceptualism
Of course you are required to do nothing, but I require evidence when some anonymous person - starts acting like they are not a novice, and making claims that cannot be verified.
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 am
~shrug~
~shrug~
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 am
not in the same school
much less the same class
Sure - you are just fiction. And i'm not into schools or classes
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 am
don't require your critiques
Not given any relating to noise, you admit yourself the bandcamp thing is marginal.
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 am

we would get along better talking about gear
Fine - then do that, rather than make up stuff about me.
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:22 am
yet sort of would prefer not getting stuck playing teacher now
the entire episode seems so absurd for me
It certainly is, as i said the noise scene is dying in these personality flames.

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by jliat » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:51 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:39 am
Here's an idea
why don't you go see Current93/NWW in London then post show review for us
As i said i'm not into that kind of music.

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:56 am

some people here have clue
we can use PM
wtf is your pussy problem with Power Electronics?!
as if you can even do vox
your noise career seems an excuse for avoiding such
then heady rhetoric as excuses why
maybe you should try it some time
not as if any less people will listen to your work

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:02 am

so you aren't actually part of the "noise scene"?

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Re: the pyramid: stairway to heaven

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:05 am

Now you can go into your full diatribe how NWW & Power Electronics isn't "noise" again
bloody hell
so lame

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