Einstein Proven Right Again

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by jliat » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:15 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:02 am
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:53 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
responses to ELIZA were disturbing to Weizenbaum and motivated him to write his book Computer Power and Human Reason: From Judgment to Calculation, in which he explains the limits of computers, as he wants to make clear in people's minds his opinion that the anthropomorphic views of computers are just a reduction of the human being and any life form for that matter. In the independent documentary film Plug & Pray (2010) Weizenbaum said that only people who misunderstood ELIZA called it a sensation.
That's certainly true of ELIZA, and humans do anthropomorphise machines, and everything else- God is a good example. A better one...



But when they beat humans at chess and Go or at a panel game, they are not just making arbitary moves which we humans think are planned, they are making planned moves. Which of course doesnt mean they play and plan like we do. Google street view can recognise faces... there has been progress in computing over the last 54 years...

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:17 am

"somehow designers who dont understand their creations are admirable???"
see Albert Einstein & Julius Robert Oppenheimer^

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:23 am

also thanks for posting your Einstien release
it actually explains why you are so personally invested
in order for you to look so smart
Look up Olinto De Pretto
http://www.cartesio-episteme.net/fis/depret-bombay.htm
you also claim no way in hell did his first wife play any part in manifesting his papers
because she failed out of the Academia and popped out kids
hmmmm
that's so sexist!
report him to the feminists for alerting the LGBTQ&sometimesY death squads
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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by jliat » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:24 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:53 am
"ELIZA" there's a hole in your bucket!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
https://learneva.com/blog/what-is-eliza ... elligence/
highly suspecting you have no real experience with any of this beyond what you can google...
plus you Einstein release is just another boring waste of space farce

Of what AI. Yes i've had quite a bit, since the 90s when the Japs threw billions at it, fuzzy logic.. well before Google. I wrote some tic - tac -toe programs. (I did tell you I taught comp sci but only to degree level)

It's simple to write a determinist one, but in one of my efforts the code made random moves, storing these. If it lost it would not make the same move again. It in effect learnt. And it demonstrated a very obvious principle of teaching. Just as you would with a child you let it win so as not to 'discourage'. Now obviously the program could NOT be 'discouraged', but by interaction you could teach it good moves, make it learn faster.

I appreciate your assessment of my work. Not unexpected. 8)
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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by jliat » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:27 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:23 am
also thanks for posting your Einstien release
it actually explains why you are so personally invested
in order for you to look so smart
The Einstein release isnt about him, the title is jokey - the english do that sort of thing.

Its about speeding up sound. Not smart, quite a simple, well very simple idea.

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:44 am

good you are back to somewhat "normal" insane genius
posted the ELIZA reference
because of programming "AI" bots long ago using the Eliza type methods circa 1990s
it's not the same obviously as using AI in game engines
you can only learn so much by reading
the next level requires actually doing
experiments/experience
for comprehending
it's not the Eliza type AI that we should be so worried about
(yet expect them becoming sex bots)
it's the video game killer applications
(and industrial applications instead of humans in the control room for safety)
don't give them too much control in the physical world
that is dangerously lazy

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:34 am

also my critique of your Einstein release is not personal(didn't invest time listening to it or anything)
it's more an overall "frustration" with the internet noise scene... (places like reddit are far worse than here)
plus annoyance with how unproductive and lacking substance most of "the internet noise scene" is
recent HNW conformity and such
exponential rate of garbage
plus the annoyance that such "influence" is drastically reducing personal creativity/productivity
waste of E

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:54 am


Wikipedia & Google tampering exposed(with very specific evidence)
this also explains reasons
why it is so hard finding specific data(references) online now
mirrors of video just in case that vanishes off youtube:
https://vimeo.com/263659016
https://vimeo.com/263597961
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GsNHqtjALSHJ/
watch the video^
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well obviously he was right about that quote

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by jliat » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:40 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:54 am

watch the video^
Why bother?

There is nothing that can be done about this....

The 3rd world, India and China will consume in like manner to how the west has... and so its bye bye humanity...

The best to do is be positive... which IMO involves a self sufficiency but of 'philosophy' in which one can deal 'positively' with a hostile world one can do nothing about... a neo-primitivism.

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:45 am

hear what you are saying
already been making actions for years now
not just talk
talk-action=0

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:48 am

India is not so bad actually... in fact prefer interacting with them
versus muslims & "communist chinese"
old best friend was westernized chinese ranked chess master
learned cantonese from being friend with some HK girl for years
my old "Free Tibet" Tshirt is buried somewhere around here
so you may want contemplating some assumptions
plus try comprehending the picture is way bigger
not "safe" topic
apologize for even getting you sucked into such debates

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:10 am

the irony is that many people in the west were guilted/programmed into having small families
if even any at all
for reducing exponential rate of consumption/population
now our nations are being over run invaded by the 3rd world
replacement population to live off the social state, drive into further debt, & create clash of civilizations
aimed for breaking down any "national"(see etymology) natural self protection cohesion
it's so fucked up

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:52 pm

Was Einstein(Lorentz) wrong?
Controversial theory claims the speed of light is not a constant

A potentially divisive theory suggests Einstein may have been wrong to say the speed of light is a constant – and the claims could soon be tested with a new generation of space telescopes.

Since it was first proposed more than 100 years ago, Einstein’s theory of general relativity has been one of the fundamental theories upon which our understanding of the Universe is built. His groundbreaking theory relies on the notion that the speed of light is always a constant value – but a controversial new theory has been proposed that has the potential to turn this idea on its head.

Not only does the paper say Einstein was wrong about the speed of light, it also describes - for the first time - how can this notion can be tested in the future.

Professor João Magueijo from Imperial College London, and Dr Niayesh Afshordi from the University of Waterloo in Canada built the theory on a question about the very early Universe, which has plagued cosmologists for centuries.

In terms of the density of stars and galaxies, the Universe looks generally consistent over huge distances, which means light must have travelled far enough to reach every corner – otherwise there would be dense patches and light patches.

This has previously been explained by a theory called inflation, that says at the very start of the Universe there was a period of incredibly rapid growth. The new theory does away with inflation.

This is how scientists usually visualise the cosmic microwave background
ESA

"It asserts that the Big Bang was hot and as you go back in time, at some high temperature (around 10^28 C), the light speed rapidly goes to infinity,’ Niayesh Afshordi, associate professor at the University of Waterloo told WIRED.

"This behaviour can be exactly predicted from a fundamental theory with two time dimensions with hyperbolic geometry. It replaces inflation, as it can successfully predict the colour of primordial cosmic fluctuations, with fewer parameters."

The researchers suggest light tore along at infinite speed at the birth of the Universe, when temperatures reached an unimaginable ten thousand trillion degrees Celsius – a number with 28 zeros after it.

The most important implication of the theory is that Einstein might have been wrong about the speed of light. "It would mean the speed of light is not a fundamental limit of communication, at least at high temperatures, or in a quantum theory of gravity," Dr Ashfordi said.

It also suggests another, second, time dimension might be part of fundamental physics, the authors said.
Planets, black holes, quasars and more: space terms explained

The theory can be tested because it predicts certain signatures would be seen in the radiation left over after the Big Bang, known as the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB). So far we have examined the CMB in a certain amount of detail, but improvements in telescopes mean in the future we will be able to see it more clearly, enough to test the theory.

"It is currently consistent with all the data, but its true test will be whether it remains consistent with improved data," Dr Ashfordi told WIRED. Until then, it remains an idea many physicists are unlikely to accept.

"The researchers are well known and innovative and so it should be taken seriously, although it is very speculative," Professor Andrew Liddle, Professor of astrophysics at the Royal Observatory Edinburgh, who was not involved in the research, told WIRED.

"The model is a substantial complication of the normal cosmology, in order to introduce different speeds for gravity and light, and is no better at fitting current data than the usual model. So on the face of it, I would have to view it as unlikely to be correct.

"But their model does win on predictiveness with the very clear prediction for the spectral index, how the size of observed structures varies with length scale, while the standard cosmology can predict essentially any value and is not tested by a particular measurement."

Space telescopes like Nasa’s James Webb telescope, due to launch in October 2018, will peer back 13.5 billion years to see the start of the Universe in clearer detail than ever before, and be able to test the theory.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/putting ... ivity-test

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about- ... termediate




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olinto_De_Pretto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativit ... ty_dispute

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by jliat » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:26 am

I'm sorry the assumption that science aims to produce a perfect explanation of Nature is so misguided i'm not bothering to rehearse this - yet again. But given a theory T, which seems to account for everything, this in no way makes it absolutely true.

One cannot prove there wont be some future event which it cannot explain (black swans) or that some other theory wont come along which is 'better'.

Doh! Now I am!

Simple way to see this, science attempts to generalize Nature in to some theory, in physics usually maths. A theory is better if it is more accurate and wider ranging in its explanatory, predictability powers. So Einstein's theories (or whoever) better explains Nature than Newton's. Neither are 'perfect'.


Imagine a compression algorithm like the ones that produces lossless pictures or sound files... etc ZIPS. (or ones that do have losses JPG s MP3s ).

This is very like the theory of science above. Now suppose we have a brilliant compression program, can we be sure there will not at some point in future be a better one, NO. Can we be sure the program might with some data crash, NO. But it might. :doh:

Finally - any explanation if it was perfect would need to account for every particular particle, and this is impossible because the explanation itself would need to use particles. It could only be done with a infinity of particles, but then the process or theory itself would be infinite.

Things that are impossible...

Sine Waves - in reality they use only approximations of Pi.

Square waves. To move from one state to another in no time! would generate an infinity of harmonics..

Tuning. - Equal temperament, uses The twelfth root of two or 12√2 is an algebraic irrational number.

Count all the irrationals between 0 and 1...

Eating a doughnut without licking your lips..

….. and on and on...

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Re: Einstein Proven Right Again

Post by WhiteWarlock » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:39 am

agree... merely putting out that info as food for Thoth
it's not beyond logic that special relativity, gravity, & speed of light constant will have "special exceptions"
instances that completely defy "known science" physics formulas is natural in the process of exploration/experimentation
thinking everything is rigid "fixed" seems very unscientific

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