An external observer

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Re: An external observer

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 22, 2018 8:48 am

jliat
you are very verbose
yet seems like we are wasting such resource/energy
on philosophical forum prattle
"master debates"
instead of something focused that will have more sustain
have you contemplated doing some philosophical theory pages for Noise Guide Zine?

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Re: An external observer

Post by jliat » Tue May 22, 2018 9:12 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

why don't you write your own books on philosophy
Because i'm not a philosopher. I have written books on theory, as well as papers..
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am
are you not paying attention at all to the world around you
or so brainwashed that you are blinded
I'm totally brainwashed and paying no attention. I pay no attention to the world around me so
i'm not typing this..
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

"Phalologocentric, and written by white males..."
sort of annoyed by that comment
Not my idea, and i'm willing to try to understand others.
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

glad eye sold those original cage books/manuscripts to thurston moore
they were bad influence
boring was "cool" and "edgy" & "hip" in his day
he was quite the comedian yet they were his counter culture jokes
inventiveness has merit
we aren't here for just replicating Russolo's art of noises
you must spend more time posting philosophy here than actually recording
it gets old & highly counter productive
You seem to be judging me and offering advice, but sorry no thanks on both accounts.
My time spent here is nothing to my recording... now well over 60 years of continuous noise.

IMO we are here for no reason whatsoever... so if I enjoy posting here what's wrong with that- well it
might annoy some people for which i'm sorry.
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

are you attempting validating your own existence/ego?
merely a question for you reflecting upon
Long ago I decided my existence had no value at all.
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

maybe that is far too Harsh
Hardly - and i'm not prepared to discuss that.
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

relax
I do. Merlot! - cheap merlot at that....
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am
record more
I've already recorded more than any one can ever listen too - and speculated on much longer works.

A set of cosmic grand pianos - No. 8 - on which a single note lasts

68,469,051,108,591,800,000 years (6.8* 10 ^18 years ~ 68 quintillion) per oscillation of C4
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am
you should start your own "noise podcast"
with analytical philosophical commentary
critiquing/dissecting "noise artistes"
Thanks for the advice - but no thanks.
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am
what is and isn't considered "noise" by your standards
it would probably get following
more productive than debating it here constantly
Firstly i doubt if i would get a folowing, secondly i do not use my standards - i use others...

and lastly - there is nothing productive..

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Re: An external observer

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 22, 2018 9:12 am

That Oliver Tex album is so midi orchestrated melodic...
like maybe 1% of it gets anywhere slightly near "noise"
Envelope Generator pitch modulation....
ummmm
yeah
well
jliat wins that round

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Re: An external observer

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 22, 2018 9:41 am

A set of cosmic grand pianos - No. 8 - on which a single note lasts

68,469,051,108,591,800,000 years (6.8* 10 ^18 years ~ 68 quintillion) per oscillation of C4

that really doesn't count because it's completely hypothetical
heard of some conceptual art such as that before
hasn't that already been done
is that a cover tune???
have you ever contemplated learning to actually play an instrument?
cello is fun
12 string guitar
drums
air powered trumpets
has it's own sense of satisfaction using internal physical/mental sequencer
personally for multiple reasons including physical therapy/exercise eye have to play real instruments frequently
so that's my perspective
plus started playing piano at age 4
gaining proficiency in many instruments over the years
can you listen to you recordings non stop without repeat for month yet?
approximately 730 hours range
experiment
even a dead fish can float down stream :P
regardless
we appreciate your feedback & philosophical friction
BTW thanks for reminding us "Don't rest on your Laurels"
or your Hardys
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Re: An external observer

Post by jliat » Tue May 22, 2018 10:08 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 9:41 am

have you ever contemplated learning to actually play an instrument?
Can't Play, Won't play.

Musicians - "they look like a power/ hierarchy kind of thing."

And not real musicians... i'm a real musician...
Muse and directly from Latin Musa, from Greek Mousa, "the Muse," also "music, song,"...
from Old French muser (12c.) "to ponder, dream, wonder; loiter, waste time," literally "to stand with one's nose in the air" (or, possibly, "to sniff about" like a dog who has lost the scent)

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Re: An external observer

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 22, 2018 10:10 am

Magician

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Re: An external observer

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 22, 2018 10:12 am

you never figured that out because way too busy wasting time?


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Re: An external observer

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 22, 2018 10:22 am

Did you ever study Sumerian musical theory & celestial scales?
60 based systems
https://ancientmystery.info/Music-Sumer-McClain.htm
From *Μονθια (*Monthia), from Proto-Indo-European *men- (“to think”) + *dʰeh₁-, whence μανθάνω (manthánō).
From *Μοντια (*Montia), from Proto-Indo-European *men- (“to tower; mountain”). Since all the most important cult-centres of the Muses were on mountains or hills. [1]
From Proto-Indo-European *mō-, *mē- (“endeavour, will, temper”). Cognate with μαίομαι (maíomai), Latin mōs, English mood.

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Re: An external observer

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 22, 2018 2:49 pm

thanks for reminding me of old recordings using Sumerian 60 base diatonics
it's not "noise"
yet it is ancient method
can easily be mutated for atmospheric noise

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Re: An external observer

Post by Bonehole » Thu May 24, 2018 1:47 am

jliat wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 12:37 am
'I like red wine' is not a philosophical statement. Why? Well the use of 'philosophical' singles out statements. Some are some are not.
Well, that may be all very pretentious, but what a complete load of bollocks!
jliat wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 12:37 am
It is precisely 'pretentious'. It wants to find universal truths rather than mere opinion, or wants to show that there are no universal truths and everything is just opinion. (that is a universal truth!!)
Well, that may be all very pretentious, but what a complete load of bollocks! You just contradicted yourself there.
jliat wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 12:37 am
Now that is a philosophical question. And though you might say 'attempt to appear', many thought it was the case. 'Aristotle got it right.'

Hume's insignts and scepticism was brilliant. The likes of Locke founded the ideas behind the constitution of America.

God is dead, and there is no morality -all things are permissible - Nietzsche.

And more recently - philosophy is logocentric. The idea that language can express reality is wrong. Phalologocentric, and written by white males...


And that the idea of hierarchies - tree structures are questionable - things are more rhizomic.. Deleuze.
Well, that may be all very pretentious, but what a complete load of bollocks! You've jumped about over more than 2,000 years of history cherry picking bits of bollocks just to make yourself look clever, or feel better about yourself. You've taken out your dick of intellectual superiority and wanged it around in a public place. What a wanker!

I suggest you read WhiteWarlock's post above and take his advice seriously.

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Re: An external observer

Post by jliat » Thu May 24, 2018 2:31 am

Bonehole wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 1:47 am


I suggest you read WhiteWarlock's post above and take his advice seriously.

"That Oliver Tex album is so midi orchestrated melodic...
like maybe 1% of it gets anywhere slightly near "noise"
Envelope Generator pitch modulation....
ummmm
yeah
well
jliat wins that round"


OK...

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Re: An external observer

Post by Bonehole » Thu May 24, 2018 2:43 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

why don't you write your own books on philosophy
are you not paying attention at all to the world around you
or so brainwashed that you are blinded
"Phalologocentric, and written by white males..."
sort of annoyed by that comment
glad eye sold those original cage books/manuscripts to thurston moore
they were bad influence
boring was "cool" and "edgy" & "hip" in his day
he was quite the comedian yet they were his counter culture jokes
inventiveness has merit
we aren't here for just replicating Russolo's art of noises
you must spend more time posting philosophy here than actually recording
it gets old & highly counter productive
are you attempting validating your own existence/ego?
merely a question for you reflecting upon
maybe that is far too Harsh
relax
record more
you should start your own "noise podcast"
with analytical philosophical commentary
critiquing/dissecting "noise artistes"
what is and isn't considered "noise" by your standards
it would probably get following
more productive than debating it here constantly
Oh, dear! Such a pity to have to point you in the right direction (no pun intended).

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Re: An external observer

Post by jliat » Thu May 24, 2018 11:13 am

Bonehole wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 2:43 am
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

why don't you write your own books on philosophy
are you not paying attention at all to the world around you
or so brainwashed that you are blinded
"Phalologocentric, and written by white males..."
sort of annoyed by that comment
glad eye sold those original cage books/manuscripts to thurston moore
they were bad influence
boring was "cool" and "edgy" & "hip" in his day
he was quite the comedian yet they were his counter culture jokes
inventiveness has merit
we aren't here for just replicating Russolo's art of noises
you must spend more time posting philosophy here than actually recording
it gets old & highly counter productive
are you attempting validating your own existence/ego?
merely a question for you reflecting upon
maybe that is far too Harsh
relax
record more
you should start your own "noise podcast"
with analytical philosophical commentary
critiquing/dissecting "noise artistes"
what is and isn't considered "noise" by your standards
it would probably get following
more productive than debating it here constantly
Oh, dear! Such a pity to have to point you in the right direction (no pun intended).
I guessed that was what you meant, i was kinda fooling with you.... but you didnt see that? But if you read the posts,first off
Whitewarlock wanted me to write books... now i dont thnk you do from your insightful comments... and i replied to his comments..
but i should have added that apart from noise i have released drone works which certainy are 'musical, as well as other stuff using 12 tone scale..

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Re: An external observer

Post by WhiteWarlock » Thu May 24, 2018 2:24 pm

not per say books...
was alluding you writing some pages of "content" for "Noise Guide Zine" & Compilation project
have also spent copious amount of time with 12 tone system theory & experimentation
Schoenberg School
"Dodecaphonics"
https://monoskop.org/images/d/da/Schoen ... no_OCR.pdf
was made learning that system long ago with advanced metaphysical/astro tone correspondences
eye can literally play natal/mundane astrological charts as celestial compositions including aspects
Music of the Spheres
math
Gnostic Acoustics
~shrug~
you probably comprehend what eye am saying now

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