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Post by melkobukva » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:49 pm

Do something. Then write an essay explaining why it is a brilliant work of art.

Do nothing. Then write an essay explaining why it is a brilliant work of art.

Do something. Then get somebody else to write an essay explaining why it is a brilliant work of art.

Do nothing. Then get somebody else to write an essay explaining why it is a brilliant work of art.

Get someone else to do something. Then write an essay explaining why it is a brilliant work of art.

Get someone else to do nothing. Then write an essay explaining why it is a brilliant work of art.

Get someone else to do something and then write an essay explaining why it is a brilliant work of art.

Get someone else to do nothing and then write an essay explaining why it is a brilliant work of art.

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Post by MKULTRA » Wed May 02, 2018 1:23 am

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Post by jliat » Wed May 02, 2018 4:12 am


Arthur Danto “The Disenfranchisement of Art” (1984):

"When art internalizes its own history, when it becomes self-conscious of its history as it has come to be in our time, so that its consciousness of its history forms part of its nature, it is perhaps unavoidable that it should turn into philosophy at last. And when it does so, well, in an important sense, art comes to an end."

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Re: Concepts

Post by melkobukva » Wed May 02, 2018 4:23 am

MKULTRA wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 1:23 am

It is difficult to bungle a good idea.

And yet you have.
Yes, thank you! A brilliant work of art, isn't it?

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Post by amishrobots » Fri May 04, 2018 12:34 am

I suspect that "doing nothing" is harder in practice than it sounds.

Even the dead do something, as they decompose.

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Post by melkobukva » Fri May 04, 2018 4:54 am

amishrobots wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 12:34 am
I suspect that "doing nothing" is harder in practice than it sounds.

Even the dead do something, as they decompose.
Then pick from the second group. Getting someone to do something should be easier.

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Post by amishrobots » Mon May 07, 2018 7:35 pm

melkobukva wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 4:54 am
amishrobots wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 12:34 am
I suspect that "doing nothing" is harder in practice than it sounds.

Even the dead do something, as they decompose.
Then pick from the second group. Getting someone to do something should be easier.
But I would rather spend time arguing over nothing; I feel it would be more in keeping with the traditional noise forum experience.

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Post by melkobukva » Tue May 08, 2018 8:19 am

amishrobots wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 7:35 pm
melkobukva wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 4:54 am
amishrobots wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 12:34 am
I suspect that "doing nothing" is harder in practice than it sounds.

Even the dead do something, as they decompose.
Then pick from the second group. Getting someone to do something should be easier.
But I would rather spend time arguing over nothing; I feel it would be more in keeping with the traditional noise forum experience.

You are wrong.

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Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 08, 2018 9:47 am

Eye am busy....
that's my my nature
already do "nothing"
during meditation/reflection time
introspection
happy enough with that
much better things for accomplishing
momentum
trajectory
Ohm Kalki Namaha


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Post by amishrobots » Thu May 10, 2018 10:57 pm

melkobukva wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 8:19 am
amishrobots wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 7:35 pm
melkobukva wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 4:54 am


Then pick from the second group. Getting someone to do something should be easier.
But I would rather spend time arguing over nothing; I feel it would be more in keeping with the traditional noise forum experience.

You are wrong.
I see what you're trying to do there, to prove my point for me, but It's not going to work, unless you try harder.

I mean, just saying "You are wrong." isn't even a proper argument; you're just saying the opposite of what I said, negating my statement without any proof or reasoning or logic.

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Post by amishrobots » Thu May 10, 2018 11:01 pm

amishrobots wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 10:57 pm
melkobukva wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 8:19 am
amishrobots wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 7:35 pm


But I would rather spend time arguing over nothing; I feel it would be more in keeping with the traditional noise forum experience.

You are wrong.
I see what you're trying to do there, to prove my point for me, but It's not going to work, unless you try harder.

I mean, just saying "You are wrong." isn't even a proper argument; you're just saying the opposite of what I said, negating my statement, without any proof or reasoning or logic.

Essentially all you've done is to trap us in some lame re-enactment of a Monty Python bit, and I rather hope that you already knew that!

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Post by jliat » Fri May 11, 2018 12:54 am

I think 'being wrong' has more to it than being right. I think 'wrongness' in noise was one of its 'real' insights.

i.e. often being right is very limited. 2 + 2 has (within the rules) one correct answer but an infinity of wrong ones.
This makes being wrong more 'real'.

It's why the aspect of noise being the opposite of music is now sadly it seems missing. All this talk of trial and hard work..
honing skills, i mean in the words of GOD.
I threw all my past music career in the garbage. There was no longer any need for concepts like 'career' and 'skill'. I stopped playing music and went in search of an alternative.
— Masami Akita

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Post by jliat » Fri May 11, 2018 1:24 am

Of course.... oops!
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Post by jliat » Fri May 11, 2018 1:25 am

jliat wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 1:24 am
Of course if my post above has anything right about it, it contradicts its aim, its idea. This is typical of noise, or in logic
self reference. "This sentence is false", fucks up logic and Russell's ideas big time. It's sonic equivalent is feedback, where the devise
which is meant to process some 'other' processes itself. Or the hall of mirrors reflecting reflections infinitely..

Noise destroys the equilibrium of 'correctness' ... just as 2+2 = 5,6,7,8,9......... is wrong infinitely...
To recognize untruth as a condition of life: that, to be sure, means to resist customary value-sentiments in a dangerous fashion; and a philosophy which ventures to do so, places itself, by that act alone, beyond good and evil.
- Nietzsche.

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Re: Concepts

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