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Concept 3

Post by MKULTRA » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:52 am

Create a work with the specific intent to destroy it.
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Re: Concept 3

Post by Fletcher » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:24 am

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Re: Concept 3

Post by MKULTRA » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:49 am

What specifically did he create?

Mind you he was a huge influence in my development as an artist.
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Re: Concept 3

Post by MKULTRA » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:31 am

Great post Jliat.

But the work as I stated is to create something specifically to destroy it.


" The artist cannot imagine his art, and cannot perceive it until it is complete. " - Sol Lewitt


Lately I have been drawn back to Moscow Conceptualism. Natalia Tamruchi's 1995 book on the same is a fantastic introduction to the Conceptualists from 1970 - 1990. The Collective Actions Group were pushing the boundaries and flirting with disaster when you consider the oppressive nature of the Soviet Union during that time frame.

http://conceptualism-moscow.org/index.jsp?id=-1&lang=en


"A questioning of the nature and status of art was also behind the activities of Collective Actions, a loose association of artists with fluctuating membership first brought together by Andrey Monastyrsky in 1976. The group organized so-called “trips out of town,” in which selected artists, often accompanied by friends or spouses, would meet in the fields outside Moscow to collectively carry out or witness absurd or enigmatic actions. For example, “Ten Appearances” that took place on February 1, 1981, involved 10 participants, who were instructed to assemble in a field and then separate, wading through the snow toward the forest and pulling a string behind them until it ran out and the field was no longer visible. The performances were extensively documented, discussed, and collectively interpreted by the members of the group. The clandestine, apparently meaningless actions subverted the official Soviet ideology of pragmatic labor and universal liability, bonding the members of Collective Actions into an alternative community with its own private rules, rituals, and philosophy."
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Re: Concept 3

Post by xdugef » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:39 am

when I was a kid I used to build small buildings just to destroy as part of war scenes.. does that count?

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Re: Concept 3

Post by jliat » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:04 am

Jean Tinguely -



His best-known work, a self-destroying sculpture titled Homage to New York (1960), only partially self-destructed at the Museum of Modern Art, New York City,[2] although his later work, Study for an End of the World No. 2 (1962), detonated successfully in front of an audience gathered in the desert outside Las Vegas.










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Re: Concept 3

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:10 am

sure... if they were atomized with nuclear weapons.... into dust
not just burned with flamethrowers
like plastic armymen
sounds like you were having some fun

this one is actually tricky

when such is performed using metaphysics
you shouldn't even document
in any way shape or form
lest that detracts energy from the completeness
of the final act
therefor have no examples for sharing on this concept
beyond astral memories
eye could maybe make some proto circuit
for making recordings/composition
then eradicate the physical device
ritually in the pyre

may actually pass on this one for now
because in mode that actually need creating
with way more sustain/longevity
than day or so basically wasted
eye have already done this one multiple times
when way younger
not really explaining
or else it detracts
from the intended "effects"

thanks for sharing these soviet dissident "concept" topics
speaking of witch
Grazhdanskaya Oborona
Russian for Civil Defense, or ГО, often referred to as ГрОб, Russian for coffin

Yanka Dyagileva "drowned herself" in a river one day
when she went for a little walk

old stasi psych warfare "decomposition" method for destroying someone
easy using on citizens in totalitarian systems
when GOV dictates
especially occupied GOV
such as the soviet union
& entire eastern block
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Re: Concept 3

Post by Fletcher » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:16 am

So create a 1-off circuit bent noise device for a specific performance.

Let is create whatever sounds it should for the first part of the performance, then at the end smash it up with a sledge hammer (wired up with a contact mic of course)

Performance over.
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Re: Concept 3

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:21 am

that will work
yet
if it were me these days
then would desolder all the pcb components afterwards
for using them in new circuit
salvage anything possible
"re-cycle"
the wheel keeps spinning
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Re: Concept 3

Post by MKULTRA » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:22 am

One idea I have pondered for this is concept to deploy a Frippertronics set-up.
Record a performance on reel to reel #1 and instead of delayed playback on reel to reel #2, erase the recorded performance.
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Re: Concept 3

Post by Fletcher » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:05 am

What if somebody in the audience records it? Does a degraded copy of the original still count as existence?

(Side note, I remember reading of a project where each copy of a recording sold was a copy of the last copy sold. So each sale gradually gets worse in terms of definition and audible content away from the original master. Can't remember who did that but maybe a few have)

And if you wish to recycle the components, is it truly destroyed?

Which leads to an interesting concept, how do you truly destroy something completely.

Perhaps send something into space and hope it ends up at a black hole.
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Re: Concept 3

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:16 am

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all engulfing FIRE
total incineration
Pyre
Ashes to Ashes
the standard method
of many ancient cultures
Sol
hmmm
you can try thermite
for speeding up the process
heat intensity
btw
where is he???
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Re: Concept 3

Post by jliat » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:25 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hol ... on_paradox
Starting in the mid-1970s, Stephen Hawking and Jacob Bekenstein put forward theoretical arguments based on general relativity and quantum field theory that not only appeared to be inconsistent with information conservation but were not accounting for the information loss and state no reason for it. Specifically, Hawking's calculations[4] indicated that black hole evaporation via Hawking radiation does not preserve information. Today, many physicists believe that the holographic principle (specifically the AdS/CFT duality) demonstrates that Hawking's conclusion was incorrect, and that information is in fact preserved.[5] In 2004 Hawking himself conceded a bet he had made, agreeing that black hole evaporation does in fact preserve information.
:doh:


Of course you also have the Schrödinger cat problem. At the moment one decides to destroy the piece in QM the universe divides, one in which it is destroyed another which it is not- in some theories.

:doh: :doh:
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Re: Concept 3

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:31 am

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