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Re: Concept 2

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:24 am

melkobukva wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:26 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:53 am
OK if individuals are different then so are the things which make up 'external reality'.
Nope.

Right now share a forum, i.e. a common social environment. If we start posting racist/misogynistic/pornographic loli images, we'll get banned and won't be able to post anymore. Regardless of our individual perceptions of loli images or the event getting banned.

Similarly, if you and I get a shotgun blast to the face, our individual perceptions are bound to differ, but we'll both end up dead.
Should be obvious that our posting is not the same. Likewise your being dead will not be the same as me being dead. And not only are the perceptions different, the moderator will ban a particular person.

Even if you posted a racist remark, and was banned, and i posted the same remark and was banned, the reason would be the same? (one presumes) but the act would not. Which questions the actual reasoning, which is always specific. So sameness is in that "someone was banned for posting a racist remark" - but what actually occurs is "melkobukva was banned for making a racist remark" <> "jliat was banned for making a racist remark" So the rule "Anyone will be banned for making racist remarks" doesn't mean anyone will be banned.. but someone in particular. Concepts are not equal to objects. And of course in real life the laws (of state and science) don't always work.
My racist remark might be overlooked, I would imagine occasionally people shot in the face survive.


'Same' only arises once we generalized different events, which are not the same. Like the 'idea' of species and genus...

And this post changes the forum....

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Re: Concept 2

Post by melkobukva » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:00 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:24 am
Likewise your being dead will not be the same as me being dead.
I honestly don't understand.

Suppose A decapitates B. A believes that human beings can't survive decapitation. After B's head rolls, A percieves him as dead. In other words, B is dead to A. In an individual world of A.

Now assume B believes he is immortal and can not be killed by any means imaginable. How does B percieve himself in his own individual world after A decapitates him?

More generally, how is intersubjectivity even possible?

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Re: Concept 2

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:16 am

It isn't possible logically and philosophically...

You are an ABBA fan?

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Re: Concept 2

Post by melkobukva » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:21 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:16 am
It isn't possible logically and philosophically...
Thank you for clarifying. I really enjoyed this little conversation with myself.
jliat wrote:
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You are an ABBA fan?

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Re: Concept 2

Post by jliat » Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:09 am

"More generally, how is intersubjectivity even possible?"

It's made possible by the very problem.... the difference. A & B... me & you...

"I am not questioning the existence of differences between individuals. I'm stating that there is external reality (physical and social) the individuals have to share."

Or said individuals create 'external reality'. There is no "space" which objects can fill...
Physical and social realities are constructed - they are not already there.

You seem to picture this reality, like this forum, as something we come to find and
share, whereas I think one can see it as being its members being different..


My picture - space an time being created rather than already there.

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Re: Concept 2

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:36 am

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AKG D Series microphones were built like Panzer tanks
sound waaaaaay better than Shure sm58/57 IMO
Haven't used mine recently...
ever since modified 1943 Telefunken NSDAP 0300 for XLR using part of old 57
Frida Lyngstad of ABBA was a survivor of the Lebensborn. An estimated 8,000 children were born in Lebensborn institutions in Germany, up to 12,000 children in Norway and countless others across occupied countries where “super babies” had been selected become part of the German master race.
You are an ABBA fan?
JA!
are you???

new "space" & "time" being created
as this planet hurls through the cosmos
following the Sun
much like writing new data clusters in sectors on epic hard drive
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Re: Concept 2

Post by melkobukva » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:57 am

The wonderful world of early Modern philosophy. I suggest we also don powdered wigs and stockings, stick flintlock pistols under our belts, and maybe torture some witches while we're at it. What do you say?

Seriously though...

If there is a "me" independent of "you", the interaction between you and me already produces a shared environment which is also at least partially independent of "you".

How many "me"s are out there? Let's take 1000, purely for the sake of argument.

We create time, and space, and gravity, all the good stuff. Collectively, all 1000 of us, since our interactions produce a shared environment.

We also create the "you" as a middle-aged american fellow. And if you insist stubbornly enough that you're in fact Napoléon Bonaparte, we lock you up in a loony bin. And you have to share that environment too. Unless you reinterpret the psychiatric ward as Champs-Élysées, of course.

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Re: Concept 2

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:09 am

He obviously hasn't pissed off the status quo banking "Kabal" & the "Salon"
enough like Napoléon
for Exile on Saint Helena type punishment....
yet
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Re: Concept 2

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:14 am

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Alex, Eye will take "What is Solipsism?" for 1000!

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Re: Concept 2

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:57 am

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Suppose A decapitates B. A believes that human beings can't survive decapitation. After B's head rolls, A percieves him as dead. In other words, B is dead to A. In an individual world of A.

Now assume B believes he is immortal and can not be killed by any means imaginable. How does B percieve himself in his own individual world after A decapitates him?
In the traditional eastern hindu/buddhist culture operating system
B (who is immortal) reincarnates for getting vengeance decapitating A
though it may take 20+ years or may occur in other lifetimes all together that paths cross
thus "the wheel" keeps spinning

Dharma/Karma cycle

What is Kalachakra?
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Re: Concept 2

Post by melkobukva » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:29 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:57 am

B (who is immortal) reincarnates for getting vengeance decapitating A
though it may take 20+ years or may occur in other lifetimes all together that paths cross
Sounds complicated.

Why wait when B can have his vengeance right away, and then give A's hot girlfriend a cunnilingus using his own severed head.

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Re: Concept 2

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:49 am

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Herbert West is a little more stingy anymore with his green re-animator juice after that little incident at the prison
so B is just shit out of luck
and has to do it the old school way
unless he can figure out the formula himself

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Re: Concept 2

Post by jliat » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:37 am

I wish I knew what you two were talking about.... no wait .... I take back the wish.... and no Never was an ABBA fan.

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