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Re: Concept 2

Post by s.p.i.n. » Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:33 am

SHUT UP AND MAKE MICROCASSETTES

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Re: Concept 2

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:00 am

hmm can eye submit some old microcassette compositions?
where the fuck are all my micro cassette recorders now anyway???
let me see what field recordings have on them anymore
try this
hear is old composition from the 90s
http://www.n01ze.com/Muzak/Trax/ANDE.mp3
Andromedan Necrotic Dimension Energizer???
something like that
need looking at the old tape notes...
it's one side c32
using microcassette field recordings from the Belmont Rocks(lakefront) in Chicago
(was with crazy xGF recording waves crashing on the rocks
and police harassed us using squad car radio PA system)
the waves sound is all over this plus her voice & police bitching in one tiny section somewhere
SOB just heard that fucking annoying ass CV glitched/bent Speak & Math...
used microcassette recordings of my Sequential Pro One
for dramatic speed changes
& extreme LFO speeds
eye may have obviously had some smokey treats whilst composing that cacophony:P
alrighty where are all my microcassette players/recorders and tapes hiding???!
obviously eye will need some new batteries for them

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Re: Concept 2

Post by melkobukva » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:43 pm

MKULTRA wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:02 am

Devise a work in the manner of the Moscow Conceptualists.
They worked in a setting where the only non-suicidal strategy of opposing the dominant discourse was to play a village idiot. But since then playing a village idiot has been made mandatory for everyone.

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Re: Concept 2

Post by jliat » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:20 pm

melkobukva wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:43 pm
MKULTRA wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:02 am

Devise a work in the manner of the Moscow Conceptualists.
They worked in a setting where the only non-suicidal strategy of opposing the dominant discourse was to play a village idiot. But since then playing a village idiot has been made mandatory for everyone.
Says self admitted someone playing a village idiot? Or are there times when it is not mandatory?

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Re: Concept 2

Post by MKULTRA » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:58 pm

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Re: Concept 2

Post by melkobukva » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:03 pm

jliat wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:20 pm
Says self admitted someone playing a village idiot? Or are there times when it is not mandatory?
If something is mandatory, it doesn't mean that everybody does that all the time. It means that those who are caught not doing it are punished.

However, this is not the real answer. This one is:

It's the same for you and me. Either we play, or we get played. Interpreted, subverted, placed in context, fit into the narrative, packaged, sold, bought, repackaged, sold again at a profit. Devoured and excreted over and over by the Ouroboros of mockery.

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Re: Concept 2

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:35 am

melkobukva wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:03 pm
jliat wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:20 pm
Says self admitted someone playing a village idiot? Or are there times when it is not mandatory?
If something is mandatory, it doesn't mean that everybody does that all the time. It means that those who are caught not doing it are punished.

However, this is not the real answer. This one is:

It's the same for you and me. Either we play, or we get played. Interpreted, subverted, placed in context, fit into the narrative, packaged, sold, bought, repackaged, sold again at a profit. Devoured and excreted over and over by the Ouroboros of mockery.
1. No its NOT the same for me and you. If it was there would be no you or me!

2. "Either we...." The concept is NEVER the object.

3. Who is the 'THEY' that makes things madatory and catches and punishes.... is it YOU? Or your fiction?

Are you saying the world is amenable to reason and language? So tell me using language only the difference between "real" and "unreal"......

with all due respect...

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Re: Concept 2

Post by MKULTRA » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:30 am

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Re: Concept 2

Post by melkobukva » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:59 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:35 am
1. No its NOT the same for me and you. If it was there would be no you or me!
Gravity is the same for you and me. And so is the socio-cultural reality of the spectacle.
jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:35 am
2. "Either we...." The concept is NEVER the object.
It is not, but Che Guevara is still a very popular youth t-shirt brand.
jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:35 am
3. Who is the 'THEY' that makes things madatory and catches and punishes.... is it YOU? Or your fiction?
In the context of the present discussion this would most likely be YOU. Am I a brainwashed loon and a tinfoilhatter? Of course I am :doh:
If that is what you wanted to know.

Now, an anecdote.
A society of people live in an enclosed, automated space, with nearly every surface a video screen with personalised entertainment and frequent advertising. They earn their living by riding on stationary bikes to generate power in exchange for "merits", a form of currency used to buy food, goods, virtual items for their doppel, and for entertainment. The society shuns overweight people, who are tasked with menial, janitorial jobs and subjected to humiliation via a game show, Botherguts.

Bingham "Bing" Madsen (Daniel Kaluuya) has recently inherited millions of merits from his dead brother. He meets Abi Khan (Jessica Brown Findlay) while exercising one day, and develops a crush on her. Later, after overhearing Abi singing in a restroom, he encourages her to enter Hot Shot, a reality contest where winners are able to move into more lavish spaces and can forgo the bike riding. However, an entry ticket costs 15 million merits. Bing, feeling there is nothing worth buying, gifts Abi the entry ticket, and joins her for her audition. Abi is required to drink a psychotropic beverage labeled "Cuppliance" from a stage hand, before she goes out to sing "Anyone Who Knows What Love Is" for the judges, Hope, Charity and Wraith (Rupert Everett, Julia Davis, Ashley Thomas, respectively). While they are impressed with her singing, they admit they have no more room for singers, but Wraith suggests she is better suited for his pornography show, WraithBabes. Despite Bing protesting from the wings, Abi is excessively pressured by both the crowd and judges, and in her altered state tearfully accepts.

Bing returns to his routine listlessly. One day, while watching entertainment in his personal cell, an advert for an episode of WraithBabes featuring Abi appears. Bing does not have the merits to skip the ad, and cannot look away without the automated systems waiting for him to return to watching, and he angrily bashes one of the screens, shattering its glass. He eyes one of the larger pieces. Cutting his Hot Shot tattoo, he gets an idea. He hides the shard under his bed, along with the waste container from the Cuppliance drink Abi had. He spends the next few months aggressively earning merits on the bike and being frugal with all other purchases to re-earn the 15 million merits and buy another Hot Shot entry ticket.

Prior to his tryout, Bing hides the glass shard in his trousers, and feigns to the stage hands that he has already drunk his Cuppliance by showing them the empty container. For the judges, he starts with a dance number that impresses them and the audience, when he suddenly pulls out the shard and threatens to slice his neck. Wraith suggests he go through with it, but the other judges hear him out. Bing angrily rants about the system, talking about the cold, heartlessness of it and how everything is artificial and unemotional. After some discussion, Hope offers Bing his own regular show on one of their channels.

Some time later, Bing is shown recording his show, consisting of him holding the shard of glass to his neck to rant before finishing with advert placements. Bing now lives in much larger quarters, and the episode ends with him looking out through the side of his room onto a green forest stretching into the distance.
The punchline is that this was produced by a transnational corporation and marketed to millions of viewers. The Ouroboros of mockery in action.
jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:35 am
Are you saying the world is amenable to reason and language?
No, the opposite. Sorry if I framed my argument in a way that made it unclear.

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Re: Concept 2

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:40 am

melkobukva wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:59 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:35 am
1. No its NOT the same for me and you. If it was there would be no you or me!
Gravity is the same for you and me. And so is the socio-cultural reality of the spectacle.
Gravity I suspect is certainly not the same. What comes to my mind I doubt is the same. As for "the socio-cultural reality of the spectacle" i'm very unclear about what you mean? Or the point of your story?

Doesn't my very puzzlement expose our differences?

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Re: Concept 2

Post by melkobukva » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:47 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:40 am
Doesn't my very puzzlement expose our differences?
I am not questioning the existence of differences between individuals. I'm stating that there is external reality (physical and social) the individuals have to share. Otherwise, you're talking to yourself right now, and then we actually are the same, since I turn out to be YOU.

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Re: Concept 2

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:53 am

melkobukva wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:47 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:40 am
Doesn't my very puzzlement expose our differences?
I am not questioning the existence of differences between individuals. I'm stating that there is external reality (physical and social) the individuals have to share. Otherwise, you're talking to yourself right now, and then we actually are the same, since I turn out to be YOU.
OK if individuals are different then so are the things which make up 'external reality'. And our interactions and those in the external world are also individual. Well that's my assumption. I come to that by noticing the differences.

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Re: Concept 2

Post by melkobukva » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:26 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:53 am
OK if individuals are different then so are the things which make up 'external reality'.
Nope.

Right now share a forum, i.e. a common social environment. If we start posting racist/misogynistic/pornographic loli images, we'll get banned and won't be able to post anymore. Regardless of our individual perceptions of loli images or the event getting banned.

Similarly, if you and I get a shotgun blast to the face, our individual perceptions are bound to differ, but we'll both end up dead.

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