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Nothing exists

Post by fire » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:59 pm

Quite a joke!

The path to the establishment of a new after the Baconian and Aristotelian organons, the organon of extinction, the fundamental ontological stratum of all philosophy, beginning with the pre-Socratics and pre-philosophers of Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt, passes through a grasp, seeing the pure and irreversible, irresistible and instant "work" of faceless and " "(for man) the forces of retardation, the counter-force of becoming, about which philosophers have buzzed the last two thousand years. However, one can not conceive of becoming without anti-establishment - it was worth thinking about Heraclitus who absolutized once ontological monism, let monism and dialectic, ALWAYS refer to the notorious philosophical "dyad" - categories, phenomena and processes.

Transcendental nihilism contrasts a false monism with a non-dialectical negative synthesis: a living death, an irreversible desire for self-destruction to "converge" to a zero degree of being of matter. Modern physics speaks of the desire of any system to the lowest level of energy exchange available to it. How astute was Freud - and not in his main works, but in a small essay "Beyond the pleasure principle" - indicating that the true trauma, the true source of "neuroses", the actual source of suffering and deprivation, is the BIRTH and the consequence of this catastrophe ( birth catastrophe) - all subsequent LIFE as a doomed presence.

"However," an attentive man would say, "you spoke of a negative (abolishing" abstraction "after Hegel, we unambiguously do not believe in negativity!) SYNTHESIS, saying that the enemy of the new nihilism is ... monism ....! So it turned out that we have one beginning, on the one hand, and on the other - a certain elimination and SYNTHESIS? "

We will reply immediately: we, anti-correlationists, do not aspire to build up binary oppositions. We are not striving to multiply entities - we generally do not move towards the two from this one unit. Think of the only Russian philosopher-representative of speculative realism, who died a few years before the publication of Meiiasu-Alexei's book "Angle" by Fishev, the vocalist of the Orgasm Nostradamus. Words from the song "Incomprehensible and eternal": "I multiply everything by zero ..." Nullifying the correlation in all its forms, we do not divide the unit, but reduce it to zero. No negative values ​​or positive values ​​more than 1 - it all comes down to the baselessness of originality - to being-nothing! Nothing here is Hegelian abstraction, for our synthesis is not dialectical. Rather, it is something in essence close to the modern theory of physical vacuum, where nothing is the foundation for ALL - the elementary particles that make up the flesh and blood of the cosmos - the whole Universe!

Nothing - that's what the "whole thing" is built on! That is why the organon must be built on the "pure absence" - the absoluteness and inevitability of the truth of extinction, which will befall all that exists, without exception. The force of retardation, the decomposition of nature, in which we fix this force, will prevail over the power of creation, productivity, production, reproduction. Disorganization through decomposition eventually defeats the organization and taxonomy, and "meaninglessness" is the "noise" of the Universe itself (and what else is this relic background?) - over the "meaning" by which a person tries to shield himself from the constantly aching, unhealed wound obtained in trauma of birth. The pain of truth and the pain of experience can only be silenced for a while, hiding from it in everyday life, resorting to the favorite strategy of all living things - both predator and prey - to mimicry, masking compulsion through assimilation.

It is precisely these sentiments that express our message, which fully reflects the content of our position on the album's content - NON-CORRIGENOTING NOMES. For us, there is no opposition to "music / antimusic," as is the case with punctate noise. There are no style boundaries - noise can contain both organized sequences of notes (these are "found" by our ear!), And absolute spontaneity, sounds whose sequence can not be predicted. Noise is a rhythm and only then is sound and its shades. Rhythm is a ritornel. Riturnel is a pulse coming from the depths of being, from the "level of zero matter", the pulse of Nothing constituting the tissue of the Universe.

Noise is not anti-music, but PRE-MUSIC!
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Re: Nothing exists

Post by jliat » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:43 pm

Sounds like someone has been reading Brassier & perhaps Meillassoux - Mattin? though he is more Marxist...?

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Re: Nothing exists

Post by fire » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:53 pm

you should know, they are your disciples :lol:

explain this:
Nothing constituting the tissue of the Universe.
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Re: Nothing exists

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:24 am

fire wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:53 pm
you should know, they are your disciples :lol:

explain this:
Nothing constituting the tissue of the Universe.
There is no 'explanation'. Unlike science, even pseudoscience, art is not about explanations. Or is it about 'facts',
more Poiesis, if you want a name....

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Re: Nothing exists

Post by fire » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:34 am

ah, so youve spawned a group of creationists, goddamn that is funny
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Re: Nothing exists

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:44 am

fire wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:34 am
ah, so youve spawned a group of creationists, goddamn that is funny
How you arrived at that conclusion is a great trick of yours. Though creationists if the term is used for someone who wishes to create-
a work of art, a poem... etc.
a 'bringing-forth' (physis as emergence), using this term in its widest sense. He explained poiesis as the blooming of the blossom, the coming-out of a butterfly from a cocoon, the plummeting of a waterfall when the snow begins to melt. The last two analogies underline Heidegger's example of a threshold occasion: a moment of ecstasis when something moves away from its standing as one thing to become another. (These examples may also be understood as the unfolding of a thing out of itself, as being discloses or gathers from nothing [thus nothing is thought also as being]). Additional example: The night gathers at the close of day.

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Re: Nothing exists

Post by fire » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:06 am

a threshold occasion: a moment of ecstasis when something moves away from its standing as one thing to become another.
as energy is immutable, this is just a fancy way of saying creation
(These examples may also be understood as the unfolding of a thing out of itself, as being discloses or gathers from nothing [thus nothing is thought also as being]).
yep, Nothing exists and all is created from it
The night gathers at the close of day.
wrong, problem of perception, 'night' and 'day' grow from the fractured psyche, the dualistic mind, the same as 'time zones', useful but not real outside the mind
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Re: Nothing exists

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:33 am

fire wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:06 am
a threshold occasion: a moment of ecstasis when something moves away from its standing as one thing to become another.
as energy is immutable, this is just a fancy way of saying creation
(These examples may also be understood as the unfolding of a thing out of itself, as being discloses or gathers from nothing [thus nothing is thought also as being]).
yep, Nothing exists and all is created from it
The night gathers at the close of day.
wrong, problem of perception, 'night' and 'day' grow from the fractured psyche, the dualistic mind, the same as 'time zones', useful but not real outside the mind
Address these to wikipeadia from where they came. As i said giving definite answers regarding "art" (proviso noted) is misleading.
If a poem could so be understood-correctly or not then the poem would cease to be what it essentially is.

Something not reducible to propositions, and in being so be like reality... :idea:

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Re: Nothing exists

Post by fire » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:52 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:33 am
Something not reducible to propositions, and in being so be like reality... :idea:
lol, as if you could identify reality if you accidentally bumped into it
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Re: Nothing exists

Post by fire » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:13 am

Ukrainian formation, heavy influenced by the sound of Coil, NON, Yello, Vangelis, mixed with the attitude (towards ontology) of I.H. Grant, R. Brassier, T. Ligotti, D. Benatar, as well as some classical philosophers (such as Kirkegaard, Camus, Deleuze and - among the most prominent - Nietzsche and Schelling). Out fuel and matters are the drugs and electricity; our case of "Non-euclydean geometry" in the philosophy of noise is James Whitehead (JLIAT), the modern artist and philosopher, John Cage's follower, who radicalizes his "great rejection" (in Marcuse's conception) of playing music down to its total destruction through the deconstruction of opposition between music and noise. Such a radicalization is in some sense is how Derrida's deconstruction radicalized Heidegger's destruction of metaphysics.
but they make beautiful music, not noise, cant make this shit up
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Re: Nothing exists

Post by fire » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:14 am

personally, i like Pat Benatar better
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Re: Nothing exists

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:13 am

fire wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:52 am
jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:33 am
Something not reducible to propositions, and in being so be like reality... :idea:
lol, as if you could identify reality if you accidentally bumped into it
So i'm not real. You said name something which could be measured by electricity - OK "Me". LOL.

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Re: Nothing exists

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:17 am

fire wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:13 am
Ukrainian formation, heavy influenced by the sound of Coil, NON, Yello, Vangelis, mixed with the attitude (towards ontology) of I.H. Grant, R. Brassier, T. Ligotti, D. Benatar, as well as some classical philosophers (such as Kirkegaard, Camus, Deleuze and - among the most prominent - Nietzsche and Schelling). Out fuel and matters are the drugs and electricity; our case of "Non-euclydean geometry" in the philosophy of noise is James Whitehead (JLIAT), the modern artist and philosopher, John Cage's follower, who radicalizes his "great rejection" (in Marcuse's conception) of playing music down to its total destruction through the deconstruction of opposition between music and noise. Such a radicalization is in some sense is how Derrida's deconstruction radicalized Heidegger's destruction of metaphysics.
but they make beautiful music, not noise, cant make this shit up
Yes - i'd guessed it was that group. They email me sometimes... Art and philosophy are closely related. Its a pity more do not recognise that. Far more than science, real science or the false kind - your EU mob.

Though in science theories can be superseded, that doesnt happen in art or in philosophy....

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Re: Nothing exists

Post by MKULTRA » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:20 am

jliat wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:17 am


Though in science theories can be superseded, that doesnt happen in art or in philosophy....


Do properties exist? ( Universals )
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Re: Nothing exists

Post by jliat » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:30 am

Interesting question. I'd say in one sense they exist as an idea in philosophy- metaphysics. And in mathematics - perhaps. But here 'exist'
is not straightforward.

So the idea has its uses. And they therefore certainly exist in certain senses. Now one might say 'but are they real?'. Well are perspective paintings 'real'.... so we can say in some cases they are OK or in others we don't want to say they do exist as fixed things... in order to avoid denying the idea of 'family resemblances' or the play of differences.

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