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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:49 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:36 am
We've been here before - you have a circular argument.

Anything which exists is electric, therefore anything which is not cannot exist.
no, that is your misunderstanding, everything exists, even Nothing, it is all electric, except Nothing which is the shape that Charge takes, this is the nature of reality
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But you say thoughts are measured eclectically - no - brain activity is. So can you measure electrically if you are experiencing the room you are in or dreaming it?
there is little difference between dreaming and the awake, so not sure of your point, but as to experiencing the room, yes, everything you can experience is made of electricity, sights, sounds, smells, all of it, so yes it could be measured, as for whether you are imagining it, then yes, once again, electricity is the fundamental driver behind all thoughts and memories, this is brain activity, and it is measured electrically, so maybe you want to measure Mind but that cant be done, so not worth pursuing
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So my thing - "Reality" cannot be measured electrically, only things in what you suppose is real.
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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:52 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:49 am
And another thing you cant measure electrically.


A battery...


Because the act of measuring will change its charge... you can only infer what it was... which is not a measure?

How about that?
this deserves no reply, but i will elucidate, a battery is made of electrically active components, your inability to recognize that is a problem of perception
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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:04 am

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:49 am

there is little difference between dreaming and the awake,
Oh but there is - if in a dream I put my hand in a fire - this is nothing like doing it when awake. I can dream i'm in the electric chair and its turned on... I can dream I've measured the charge of a neutron a 12v DC every thing in my dream is just in your case my brain electricity.. everything when awake is much more. Unless you think dreaming a hot dog will allow you to awake with one inside yourself.

Moreover how do you know 'electricity is the fundamental driver' you might be dreaming this now - and just like dreamiung you can fly it doesn't follow its true.
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maybe you want to measure Mind but that cant be done, so not worth pursuing
HOLD ON YOU WANTED ONE THING THAT COULDNT BE MEASURED ELECTRICALLY - YOU JUST SAID MIND. OK. BOOM!
Minds are things.


Game over pal. You just shot yourself.

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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:10 am

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:52 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:49 am
And another thing you cant measure electrically.


A battery...


Because the act of measuring will change its charge... you can only infer what it was... which is not a measure?

How about that?
this deserves no reply, but i will elucidate, a battery is made of electrically active components, your inability to recognize that is a problem of perception
Sure it is. So i point to a battery (made of electrically active components) and ask what is its charge. You can't measure it, you can ony measure the charge it has when its being measured. And the battery not being measured is different to it being measured.

So a few more things - everything as it is not being measured electically can't be electrically measured as it is when not being measured. That's a shed load of stuff.

And I think in my mind another gotcha!

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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:13 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:04 am
HOLD ON YOU WANTED ONE THING THAT COULDNT BE MEASURED ELECTRICALLY - YOU JUST SAID MIND. OK. BOOM!
Minds are things.


Game over pal. You just shot yourself.
Mind, not the mind of beasts, the creator of the universe, the source of Nothing and Charge

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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:14 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:10 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:52 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:49 am
And another thing you cant measure electrically.


A battery...


Because the act of measuring will change its charge... you can only infer what it was... which is not a measure?

How about that?
this deserves no reply, but i will elucidate, a battery is made of electrically active components, your inability to recognize that is a problem of perception
Sure it is. So i point to a battery (made of electrically active components) and ask what is its charge. You can't measure it, you can ony measure the charge it has when its being measured. And the battery not being measured is different to it being measured.

So a few more things - everything as it is not being measured electically can't be electrically measured as it is when not being measured. That's a shed load of stuff.

And I think in my mind another gotcha!
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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:23 am

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:13 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:04 am
HOLD ON YOU WANTED ONE THING THAT COULDNT BE MEASURED ELECTRICALLY - YOU JUST SAID MIND. OK. BOOM!
Minds are things.


Game over pal. You just shot yourself.
Mind, not the mind of beasts, the creator of the universe, the source of Nothing and Charge

pay attention better
I am - "Mind, not the mind of beasts, the creator of the universe, the source of Nothing and Charge" can't be measured electrically.
You wanted something that couldnt be - and there it is.

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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:28 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:23 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:13 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:04 am
HOLD ON YOU WANTED ONE THING THAT COULDNT BE MEASURED ELECTRICALLY - YOU JUST SAID MIND. OK. BOOM!
Minds are things.


Game over pal. You just shot yourself.
Mind, not the mind of beasts, the creator of the universe, the source of Nothing and Charge

pay attention better
I am - "Mind, not the mind of beasts, the creator of the universe, the source of Nothing and Charge" can't be measured electrically.
You wanted something that couldnt be - and there it is.
youre right, your understanding is null, sorry about that, if you are convinced you dont exist then thats your choice

since you can offer no thing to be measured, you are again being obtuse for argument

your thoughts can be measured electrically, that is the only reality, sadly, that you have
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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:29 am

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:14 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:10 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:52 am

this deserves no reply, but i will elucidate, a battery is made of electrically active components, your inability to recognize that is a problem of perception
Sure it is. So i point to a battery (made of electrically active components) and ask what is its charge. You can't measure it, you can ony measure the charge it has when its being measured. And the battery not being measured is different to it being measured.

So a few more things - everything as it is not being measured electically can't be electrically measured as it is when not being measured. That's a shed load of stuff.

And I think in my mind another gotcha!
you cra cra
Not much of a rebuttle. Crazy i might be but so then was Kant? Amongst many others. To repeat.

everything as it is not being measured electically can't be electrically measured as it is when not being measured.

Its a version of his idea - one can never have access to things in themselves only as they are given to us by the senses.

Maybe you cant get your mind around this. Bye for now.

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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:36 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:29 am
everything as it is not being measured electically can't be electrically measured as it is when not being measured.

Its a version of his idea - one can never have access to things in themselves only as they are given to us by the senses.

Maybe you cant get your mind around this. Bye for now.
lol, yeah its me that is confused, i guess youll sleep better thinking that

your inability to isolate a measure when there are many to choose from, or incorporate into a wholistic view, is the symptom of a dis eased mind, jumping from one thing to the next without forming any understanding, not able to see a bigger picture because you lose your self in the details that you cant even agree what they are

you have presented no thing that is nonelectric
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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:44 am

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:36 am


you have presented no thing that is nonelectric
You have - Mind. And impure electricity.

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Re: tools of objective investigation

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:07 pm

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:44 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:36 am


you have presented no thing that is nonelectric
You have - Mind. And impure electricity.
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:36 am


you have presented no thing that is nonelectric
still true
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glarf, worst song evar, i remember hearing that too many times, all his other output is so much better, clearly a victim of producer abuse

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