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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:15 am

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:09 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:43 am
I see so you never feel pain and wont die...
lol, is that all you could surmise, pity
I can surmise lots of other things - you used the term "mind" and elsewhere "maybe you want to measure Mind but that cant be done" ..
so how do you know there is one mind or none or two...

LOL

"when the mind begins to cut things, it passes a judgement, determines worth and repulsion, "

How do you measure this, the time it begins how it passes a judgement.. these seem deep stuff in your little paragraph - but cant be measured so - not a thing, not nothing - then what?

LOL
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:18 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:15 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:09 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:43 am
I see so you never feel pain and wont die...
lol, is that all you could surmise, pity
I can surmise lots of other things - you used the term "mind" and elsewhere "maybe you want to measure Mind but that cant be done" ..
so how do you know there is one mind or none or two...

LOL
oops, lack of awareness alert, Mind is not mind, Mind is the progenitor, mind is split infinitely(process)
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:20 am

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:18 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:15 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:09 am

lol, is that all you could surmise, pity
I can surmise lots of other things - you used the term "mind" and elsewhere "maybe you want to measure Mind but that cant be done" ..
so how do you know there is one mind or none or two...

LOL
oops, lack of awareness alert, Mind is not mind, Mind is the progenitor, mind is split infinitely(process)
Great - and you cant measure any of this electrically!

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:23 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:20 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:18 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:15 am


I can surmise lots of other things - you used the term "mind" and elsewhere "maybe you want to measure Mind but that cant be done" ..
so how do you know there is one mind or none or two...

LOL
oops, lack of awareness alert, Mind is not mind, Mind is the progenitor, mind is split infinitely(process)
Great - and you cant measure any of this electrically!
wrong, the whole coversation is on the web, mostly just pure electricity with electical components for support

checkmate
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:35 am

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:23 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:20 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:18 am

oops, lack of awareness alert, Mind is not mind, Mind is the progenitor, mind is split infinitely(process)
Great - and you cant measure any of this electrically!
wrong, the whole coversation is on the web, mostly just pure electricity with electical components for support

checkmate
Well we are not playing chess. You said Mind cannot be measured. You said everything and nothing can be measured electrically :doh:

And by the way if everything is electicity how can one form be pure and others not, what is this impurity. How is it measured.
If everything was water you cant have impure water without something other.

This is not chess its an argument. Q.E.D.

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:45 am

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:35 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:23 am
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:20 am


Great - and you cant measure any of this electrically!
wrong, the whole coversation is on the web, mostly just pure electricity with electical components for support

checkmate
Well we are not playing chess. You said Mind cannot be measured. You said everything and nothing can be measured electrically :doh:
oops, awareness alert, Mind cannot be measured, thoughts of it can be, never said Nothing could be measured, as it is the only thing that does not exist, it is the only nonelectric thing we have access to(through thoughts, which are electric)
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And by the way if everything is electicity how can one form be pure and others not, what is this impurity. How is it measured.
If everything was water you cant have impure water without something other.

This is not chess its an argument. Q.E.D.
the impurity, so to speak, is that which causes Charge to meander and first begin to form reality, namely, Nothing, to the degree that Nothing shapes the meander complexity and nuance can develop

gold is a specific shape of electric coherence, it is not pure Charge
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:47 am

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:23 am
ness alert, Mind cannot be measured, thoughts of it can be, never said Nothing could be measured, as it is the only thing that does not exist, it is the only nonelectric thing we have access to(through thoughts, which are electric)
And it has properties which you claim are disreate and can access it is as you let slip then A THING.

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:50 am

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Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:45 am

the impurity, so to speak, is that which causes Charge to meander and first begin to form reality, namely, Nothing, to the degree that

You cant make something impure by adding nothing.

"so to speak"



Ill summary my position

1.You asked for just one thing which could not be measured electrically. You then said Mind could not be measured. You went on to ascribe properties to Mind, though how you can without any measure is impossible.

2.The other examples I gave you seem unable to comprehend, they are a little 'philosophical' but that doesn't detract from their force. Reality is neither a dream or an hallucination or a simulation. Reality is different, the electricity in reality is in real things, in a dream or hallucination it's just in the mind. And you cant measure this difference. But they are just as real tigers can kill you an hallucinated or dream tiger cannot. So you cant measure which is real, a dream you are in, reality or a simulation using electricity.

3.The final example is even more difficult for you it seems. You said I was crazy for raising it yet it's only a version of something well known. We never know the thing in itself only our perception of it.I used an obvious electrical device which in general it's obvious to measure it electrically – a battery. But given some thought – you cant measure a battery as it is in itself, only as it is being measured. The two things are different – the former not measurable. This should be obvious given some thought but I doubt if you will.

4.Finally you stated that everything was electricity. Then used the term 'pure electricity'. In which there is impure electricity which it follows there must be some non-electrical impurity. So you've defeated your own assertion.

1 – 3 refute your notion about measurement.

4 refutes your notion everything is electricity.

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:21 pm

jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:50 am
fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:45 am

the impurity, so to speak, is that which causes Charge to meander and first begin to form reality, namely, Nothing, to the degree that

You cant make something impure by adding nothing.
this is true, impurity is your word, and we are focusing on Nothing which is not nothing
jliat wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:50 am
1.You asked for just one thing which could not be measured electrically. You then said Mind could not be measured. You went on to ascribe properties to Mind
no i did not, read again
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Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:50 am
2.The other examples I gave you seem unable to comprehend, they are a little 'philosophical' but that doesn't detract from their force. Reality is neither a dream or an hallucination or a simulation. Reality is different, the electricity in reality is in real things, in a dream or hallucination it's just in the mind...
... which operates on electricity, is composed of electrical cells, is made of electrical atoms
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Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:50 am
But they are just as real tigers can kill you an hallucinated or dream tiger cannot.
absolute bullshit, it is possible to die from dream induced dis ease
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Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:50 am
So you cant measure which is real, a dream you are in, reality or a simulation using electricity.
wut, now you are back to trying to measure your experience of reality, whatever that is, where i agree, if you cant measure it, then it doesnt exist, you are free to not exist, go ahead, try it right now
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Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:50 am
We never know the thing in itself only our perception of it.I used an obvious electrical device which in general it's obvious to measure it electrically – a battery. But given some thought – you cant measure a battery as it is in itself, only as it is being measured. The two things are different
no they are not, there are knowable parameters and they are all measured electrically

you have a problem with language which can never be a thing in itself, everything else exists, as much as you can perceive it, the term battery can mean anything if you want, it can even mean that which i cannot fathom, you are free to remain ignorant of anything, just dont expect to win arguments with cherry picked facts
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:48 pm

fire wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:21 pm
dont expect to win arguments with cherry picked facts
First i don't expect to win an argument with you. That is a given fact of which i'm certain 100%, again maybe you can devise a way of electrically measuring that. And i have not used facts. One may as you say catch a disease from a dream, but the point is you can't measure now to decide if you are in a dream or not. The idea is Descartes' whose mathematics is fairly foundational to even the Electric Universe guys, maybe you should ask them.

But you set an interesting problem.

Like you can't measure a rock on the far side of the moon or on Pluto. There are no measuring devices there. One might 'in principle' be able to do it but that isn't measuring. And working from this..

If you measure things like the sun or earth again one samples and infers. OK you say the inference is electrical, but that is not the electric measure of the sun or earth. Again it may in principle be possible to build a machine that could do this, but you couldn't use anything from the earth to measure the earth. And cosmically speaking the earth is next to nothing. So most measurement on these scales are massive inferences, by both big science and Electric Universe.

So at anyone time most things can not be measured, only the idea in principle. And to take a finite measurement of such things firstly is practically impossible, but at extremes theoretically impossible. You would need to turn everything in the universe into measuring devices and then there would be nothing other to measure

Or can you measure electrically sentience in others, only infer it from observation.

Which again leads to the idea you can't measure true knowledge. And surly that's a thing.

Anyway none of this will alter your mind, though as i say its given me food for thought bouncing these ideas if your unchanging brick wall as it were.

So here is a fact for you. Big Science and EU relies on massive inferences of a tiny few samples to make cosmic inferences. And an inference is not a direct observation.

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:24 am

uhg, glad i dont have time for this today, thats right, i have zero time to give zero fucks about your empty "arguements" about how you dont understand reality

i suspect you have talked to walls many times over the years
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:37 am

fire wrote:
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i have zero time
You can't have zero time according to yourself - :lmao:

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:04 am

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So all the stuff about everything being made of electricity was a joke!

Can you measure a joke electrically?

Is an unfunny joke zero...

and it took you along time to figure out that you were joking.... eh!

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:12 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:04 am
fire wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:41 am
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So all the stuff about everything being made of electricity was a joke!

Can you measure a joke electrically?

Is an unfunny joke zero...

and it took you along time to figure out that you were joking.... eh!
this just keeps getting funnier the more off the rails you go
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