Astrology -the only real science

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:05 am

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I Ching Hexagram 6 - Sung / Conflict

Above Ch'ien the Creative, Heaven

Below K'an the abysmal, Water


Introduction

The upper trigram, whose image is heaven, has an upward movement; the lower trigram, water, in accordance with its nature tends downward. Thus the two halves move away from each other, giving rise to the idea of conflict. The attribute of the Creative is strength, that of the Abysmal is danger, guile. Where cunning has force before it, there is conflict. A third indication of conflict, in terms of character, is presented by the combination of deep cunning within and fixed determination outwardly. A person of this character will certainly be quarrelsome.

Judgement

Conflict. You are sincere And are being obstructed. A cautious halt halfway brings good fortune. Going through to the end brings misfortune. It furthers one to see the great man. It does not further one to cross the great water.
Judgement Commentary

Conflict develops when one feels himself to be in the right and runs into opposition. If one is not convinced of being in the right, opposition leads to craftiness or high-handed encroachment but not to open conflict. If a man is entangled in a conflict, his only salvation lies in being so clear-headed and inwardly strong that he is always ready to come to terms by meeting the opponent halfway. To carry one the conflict to the bitter end has evil effects even when one is the right, because the enmity is then perpetuated. It is important to see the great man, that is, an impartial man whose authority is great enough to terminate the conflict amicably or assure a just decision. In times of strife, crossing the great water is to be avoided, that is, dangerous enterprises are not to be begun, because in order to be successful they require concerted unity of focus. Conflict within weakens the power to conquer danger without.
The Image

Heaven and water go their opposite ways: The image of Conflict. Thus in all his transactions the superior man Carefully considers the beginning.
Image Commentary

The image indicates that the causes of conflict are latent in the opposing tendencies of the two trig rams. Once these opposing tendencies appear, conflict is inevitable. To avoid it, therefore, everything must be taken carefully into consideration in the very beginning. If rights and duties are exactly defined, or if, in a group, the spiritual trends of the individuals harmonize, the cause of conflict is removed in advance.
The Lines
Six at the beginning means: If one does not perpetuate the affair, There is a little gossip. In the end, good fortune comes.

While a conflict is in the incipient stage, the best thing To do is to drop the issue. Especially when the adversary is stronger, it is not advisable to risk pushing the conflict to a decision. It may come to a slight dispute, but in the end all goes well.

Changing only this line creates Hexagram 10 - Lu / Treading (conduct) which is an indication that as long as you are not too pushy and arrogant in the face of a stronger foe, you can still be successful. As the line says a little gossip is a small price to pay for turning back from an battle. As Legge says, "let it drop and the effect will be good." So move on to the next thing un winnable.
Nine in the second place means: One cannot engage in conflict; One returns home, gives way. The people of his town, Three hundred households, Remain free of guilt.

In a struggle with an enemy of superior strength, retreat is no disgrace. Timely withdrawal prevents bad consequences. If, out of a false sense of honor, a man allowed himself to be tempted into an unequal conflict, he would be drawing down disaster upon himself. In such a case a wise and conciliatory attitude benefits the whole community, which will then not be drawn into the conflict.

Changing only this line creates Hexagram 12 - P'i / Standstill (Stagnation) so not withstanding what the line says, the outcome will not be good. Perhaps the situation would have turned out even worse if one had pushed ahead. In the previous line one also retreats from uneven conflict, here the situation is worse but what other choice is to be made? Legge also counsels retreat, at least this preserves your family and city from otherwise certain destruction.
Six in the third place means: To nourish oneself on ancient virtue induces perseverance. Danger. In the end, good fortune comes. If by chance you are in the service of a king, Seek not works.

This is a warning of the danger that goes with an expansive disposition. Only that which has been honestly acquired through merit remains a permanent possession. It can happen that such a possession may be contested, but since it is really one's own, one cannot be robbed of it. Whatever a man possesses through the strength of his own nature cannot be lost. If one enters the service of a superior, one can avoid conflict only by not seeking works for the sake of prestige. It is enough if the work is done: let the honor go to the other.

Changing only this line creates Hexagram 44 - Kou / Coming to Meet is a warning about letting the negative influences that you had thought vanquished sneak back into then picture. So this line is a warning to be vigilant and not swayed by the seemingly attractive and self seeking. By concentrating on only the best influences one can avoid temptation. Legge warns us to "keep in the background and be safe."
Nine in the fourth place means: One cannot engage in conflict. One turns back and submits to fate, changes one's attitude, and finds peace in perseverance. Good fortune.

This refers to a person whose inner attitude at first lacks peace. He does not feel content with his situation and would like to improve it through conflict. In contrast to the situation of the nine in the second place, he is dealing with a weaker opponent and might therefore succeed. But he cannot carry on the fight, because, since right is not on his side, he cannot justify the conflict to his conscience. Therefore he turns back and accepts his fate. He changes his mind and finds lasting peace in being at one with eternal law. This brings good fortune.

Changing only this line creates Hexagram 59 - Huan / Dispersion (Dissolution) a hexagram that counsels freedom from egoism and selfishness and this is in accordance to what this line is saying. By refusing to contend we gain a success that would not otherwise occur. The interpretation by Legge is the same "its subject unequal to the contention. He returns to the study of Heaven's ordinances."
Nine in the fifth place means: To contend before him brings supreme good fortune.

This refers to an arbiter in a conflict who is powerful and just, and strong enough to lend weight to the right side. A dispute can be turned over to him with confidence. If one is in the right, one attains great good fortune.

Changing only this line creates Hexagram 64 - Wei Chi / Before Completion. This line is indicating a very good outcome, supreme good fortune. However the resultant hexagram 64 contains the reminder that for success to be achieved one must continue to work right to the end or success could slip away "Then of course his effort has been all in vain." Prematurely ending ones efforts will cause failure at the last moment. Legge also predicts success with no warnings. Just remember what Wei Chi represents before taking it for granted that your wish will be granted.
Nine at the top means: Even if by chance a leather belt is bestowed on one, by the end of a morning it will have been snatched away three times.

Here we have someone who has carried a conflict to the bitter end and has triumphed. He is granted a decoration, but his happiness does not last. He is attacked again and again, and the result is conflict without end.

Changing only this line creates Hexagram 47 - K'un / Oppression (Exhaustion) which is an unfortunate hexagram to draw. This line indicates that any success achieved will be fleeting and possibly even if kept, be more of a pain than a benefit to the winner. Legge concurs "Persistence in it is sure to end in defeat and disgrace."

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:20 am

How long have both of you been fighting over this subject?

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by killing raven sun » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:28 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:34 am
The Nutrino very well can work as some type of "Insulator/Resistor"
discharging specific current whilst creating current boundries
yep, that is how they are detected, they turn into something else with charge, protons and electrons, that can be measured more easily, but then the process continues with the proton and electron forming new things, and those form even more things, its a spectrum of disturbance of flow of energy from very fast/low power(neutrino) to slow/high potential(magnetism)

inability to directly measure does not equal "no charge"
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:34 am
possibly even insomuch like the difference between the fiberglass circuit board and the solder
yet this is merely my hypothesis via working with electricity
yes, i see the process starting at a substrate, very hard to detect stuff, like the aether, then a form is formed, the spiral which imparts spin, and then a path, it is a movement of the disturbance like a wave in the ocean

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by killing raven sun » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:30 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:20 am
How long have both of you been fighting over this subject?
:lol: not that long, jliat likes to argue about all kinds of stuff

hey tim, can you link to the stdev thread?

ask james about his graph skills

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:33 pm


video reposted for page 20

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:40 am

predictable james, he has nothing to add but attempted detraction, the frustrated soul has no other recourse

its getting late james, and you have a choice to make, keep throwing stones and walk home alone or stop fearing the unknown and be home

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:27 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:40 am
predictable james, he has nothing to add but attempted detraction, the frustrated soul has no other recourse

its getting late james, and you have a choice to make, keep throwing stones and walk home alone or stop fearing the unknown and be home
I'm not sure how the posting is a detraction. 'The rude man' of Cerne Abbas or Cerne Abbas Giant is thought by some to probably be an image of the Roman god Hercules. - who is in the video you posted. This whole area of England has structures and earthworks e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbury_Hill "2400–2300 BC". In the past i've explored many of these... they very much are part of englands landscape.

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West Kennet Long Barrow is a Neolithic tomb or barrow, situated on a prominent chalk ridge, near Silbury Hill, one-and-a-half miles south of Avebury in Wiltshire, England. It has two pairs of opposing transept chambers and a single terminal chamber used for burial. The stone burial chambers are located at one end of one of the longest barrows in Britain at 100 m: in total it is estimated that 15,700 man-hours were expended in its construction...The construction of the West Kennet Long Barrow commenced about 3600 BC, which is some 400 years before the first stage of Stonehenge, and it was in use until around 2500 BC. .. Recent re-analysis of the dating evidence suggests that the 46 people all died within 20 – 30 years of each other, and that the tomb was open for 1,000 years.
The latest excavations also revealed that the side chambers occur inside an exact isosceles triangle, whose height is twice the length of its base....
I've climbed Silbury and you can see the Barrow - and a line of standing stones running towards it from the Avebury Circle...
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by killing raven sun » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:38 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:27 am
I'm not sure how the posting is a detraction.
very few of your posts further the conversation, you are either rambling off topic or purposely misunderstanding for arguments sake, in this case you post an image without context, poor attempt at being relevant
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:27 am
'The rude man' of Cerne Abbas or Cerne Abbas Giant is thought by some to probably be an image of the Roman god Hercules. - who is in the video you posted. This whole area of England has structures and earthworks e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbury_Hill "2400–2300 BC". In the past i've explored many of these... they very much are part of englands landscape.
well fuck, why didnt you put this tid bit with the image? are you being coy? do you have a crush on me james?

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:38 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:27 am
I'm not sure how the posting is a detraction.
very few of your posts further the conversation, you are either rambling off topic or purposely misunderstanding for arguments sake, in this case you post an image without context, poor attempt at being relevant
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:27 am
'The rude man' of Cerne Abbas or Cerne Abbas Giant is thought by some to probably be an image of the Roman god Hercules. - who is in the video you posted. This whole area of England has structures and earthworks e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbury_Hill "2400–2300 BC". In the past i've explored many of these... they very much are part of englands landscape.
well fuck, why didnt you put this tid bit with the image? are you being coy? do you have a crush on me james?
Because i thought anyone into this kind of thing would know about Cerne Abbas. Or could simply find out by the image's name. And if they didnt they might simply ask. So it was more for others, not you. "The rude man" of noiseguide... and no i dont have a crush on you, you are too narrow minded for a start. I've done 'experiments' around these things as well as water sources in the past using dowsing, a fascinating phenomena.

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by killing raven sun » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:14 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
Because i thought anyone into this kind of thing would know about Cerne Abbas.
yeah i have noticed that stupid people often think they know others thoughts, its a projection thing, you are simple so you simplify
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
Or could simply find out by the image's name. And if they didnt they might simply ask.
if you dont care enough to flesh out your post then nobody else does either
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
So it was more for others, not you. "The rude man" of noiseguide...
:lol: well, mostly just rude to you, and only because you ask :lol:
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
and no i dont have a crush on you,
bullshit
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
you are too narrow minded for a start.
:lol: gawd damn, you really suck at this :lol:

pro tip: insults are more biting when applicable, maybe look up the definition of the words you use, irrelevant invectives are lost arrows
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Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
I've done 'experiments' around these things as well as water sources in the past using dowsing, a fascinating phenomena.
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:55 am

killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:14 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
Because i thought anyone into this kind of thing would know about Cerne Abbas.
yeah i have noticed that stupid people often think they know others thoughts, its a projection thing, you are simple so you simplify
I made no claims to know anyone's thoughts. I thought someone into the figures of Mars and Hercules might know something more than just a video. And perhaps they do, obviously you don't, mistook the Giant for something else and replied - making you look stupid. Nothing new there. You obviously have no clue of the videos you post, some its clear you've not even watched!
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:14 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
Or could simply find out by the image's name. And if they didnt they might simply ask.
if you dont care enough to flesh out your post then nobody else does either
I think just endless posts from Thunderbolts without comment - many containing obvious contradictions - which you've probably not watched carefully, you need to 'flesh out'. Only its clear for awhile you've not a clue.
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:14 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
So it was more for others, not you. "The rude man" of noiseguide...
:lol: well, mostly just rude to you, and only because you ask :lol:
No - you are generally rude and bad mouthed to anyone you think disagrees with you. And youve said so and been proud of it.
Admittedly not many now converse with you... but you just post silly videos without comment - so to be expected.
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:14 am
jliat wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:52 am
and no i dont have a crush on you,
bullshit
You are very deluded.
killing raven sun wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:14 am

:lol: gawd damn, you really suck at this :lol:

pro tip: insults are more biting when applicable, maybe look up the definition of the words you use, irrelevant invectives are lost arrows
I wasn't being insulting, you've plenty of 'issues' that could be explored if I wanted to be insulting. As I said you are narrow minded - think everything is electric and science. No room for art, poetry, music etc.

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