Astrology -the only real science

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:23 am

fire wrote:
Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:12 am

this just keeps getting funnier the more off the rails you go
Well there is off the rails and then there is no train and no rails....
fire wrote:
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all measurements are nonzero

only Nothing has a measure of zero,

everything exists, even Nothing,

everything has an electric signature, hence, everything is electric

it is all electric, except Nothing

by definition a measurement is nonzero, this is irrefutable

a measure of zero is Nothing

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:14 am

fire wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:14 pm
all the planets are connected electrically to the sun

all the planets connect with each other electrically

all life is connected electrically


the mind is affected by electrical forces

solar storms and cosmic rays compete

and the movement of the planets modulates


every thing can be known

there is no mystery

the time is now
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:49 am

"Mathematics is not physics," Thornhill said.

"Science is returned to the people—the garage tinkerer, the practical engineer, and the natural philosopher," - Thornhill

"Sir Isaac Newton Pan English mathematician, astronomer, theologian, author and physicist (described in his own day as a "natural philosopher") who is widely recognised as one of the most influential scientists of all time and a key figure in the scientific revolution. His book Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica ("Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy"), first published in 1687, laid the foundations of classical mechanics.

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:59 pm

and?
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:13 am

fire wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:59 pm
and?
A good teacher encourages his / her students to work things out.. so you ask me, but i'm not going to tell you, see if you can work it out from the quotes I gave.

Here is another clue...

""Let no one ignorant of geometry enter" - above the door to Plato's Academy."

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:51 am

oh, ok, suddenly you are the wise sage

not that your half baked line of reasoning is sound, but it looks like you think mathematics and engineering are the same thing

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:14 am

fire wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:51 am
oh, ok, suddenly you are the wise sage

not that your half baked line of reasoning is sound, but it looks like you think mathematics and engineering are the same thing

s= 0
Where did this "engineering" come in - the two subjects are "science' and 'mathematics'.

Here is another question to help you. Mrs Brown goes shopping. She takes out some money and at several shops buys items. She is careful to keep track of how much she has spent and how much she has left in her purse. Does that mean that shopping and arithmatic are the same thing?

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:30 am

jliat wrote:
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Does that mean that shopping and arithmatic are the same thing?
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:12 pm

“A lot of what is published is incorrect.” I'm not allowed to say who made this remark because we were asked to observe Chatham House rules. We were also asked not to take photographs of slides. Those who worked for government agencies pleaded that their comments especially remain unquoted, since the forthcoming UK election meant they were living in “purdah”—a chilling state where severe restrictions on freedom of speech are placed on anyone on the government's payroll. Why the paranoid concern for secrecy and non-attribution? Because this symposium—on the reproducibility and reliability of biomedical research, held at the Wellcome Trust in London last week—touched on one of the most sensitive issues in science today: the idea that something has gone fundamentally wrong with one of our greatest human creations.

The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness. As one participant put it, “poor methods get results”. The Academy of Medical Sciences, Medical Research Council, and Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council have now put their reputational weight behind an investigation into these questionable research practices. The apparent endemicity of bad research behaviour is alarming. In their quest for telling a compelling story, scientists too often sculpt data to fit their preferred theory of the world. Or they retrofit hypotheses to fit their data. Journal editors deserve their fair share of criticism too. We aid and abet the worst behaviours. Our acquiescence to the impact factor fuels an unhealthy competition to win a place in a select few journals. Our love of “significance” pollutes the literature with many a statistical fairy-tale. We reject important confirmations. Journals are not the only miscreants. Universities are in a perpetual struggle for money and talent, endpoints that foster reductive metrics, such as high-impact publication. National assessment procedures, such as the Research Excellence Framework, incentivise bad practices. And individual scientists, including their most senior leaders, do little to alter a research culture that occasionally veers close to misconduct.

Can bad scientific practices be fixed? Part of the problem is that no-one is incentivised to be right. Instead, scientists are incentivised to be productive and innovative. Would a Hippocratic Oath for science help? Certainly don't add more layers of research red-tape. Instead of changing incentives, perhaps one could remove incentives altogether. Or insist on replicability statements in grant applications and research papers. Or emphasise collaboration, not competition. Or insist on preregistration of protocols. Or reward better pre and post publication peer review. Or improve research training and mentorship. Or implement the recommendations from our Series on increasing research value, published last year. One of the most convincing proposals came from outside the biomedical community. Tony Weidberg is a Professor of Particle Physics at Oxford. Following several high-profile errors, the particle physics community now invests great effort into intensive checking and re-checking of data prior to publication. By filtering results through independent working groups, physicists are encouraged to criticise. Good criticism is rewarded. The goal is a reliable result, and the incentives for scientists are aligned around this goal. Weidberg worried we set the bar for results in biomedicine far too low. In particle physics, significance is set at 5 sigma—a p value of 3 × 10–7 or 1 in 3·5 million (if the result is not true, this is the probability that the data would have been as extreme as they are). The conclusion of the symposium was that something must be done. Indeed, all seemed to agree that it was within our power to do that something. But as to precisely what to do or how to do it, there were no firm answers. Those who have the power to act seem to think somebody else should act first. And every positive action (eg, funding well-powered replications) has a counterargument (science will become less creative). The good news is that science is beginning to take some of its worst failings very seriously. The bad news is that nobody is ready to take the first step to clean up the system.
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:23 am

So your point is that commercial medical science should adopt the rigour of atomic physics to rid itself of un-scientific prejudice. A rigour that lends weight to such theories as The Big Bang, Anti Matter, Thermonuclear Stars... and one which rejects the placebo effect.. found in modern medicine, as well as the pseudo science of such things as flat earthers, homeopathy and electric universe believers... which lack credible mathematical models and support...

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:05 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:23 am
So your point is that commercial medical science should adopt the rigour of atomic physics to rid itself of un-scientific prejudice. A rigour that lends weight to such theories as The Big Bang, Anti Matter, Thermonuclear Stars... and one which rejects the placebo effect.. found in modern medicine, as well as the pseudo science of such things as flat earthers, homeopathy and electric universe believers... which lack credible mathematical models and support...

Well done.
nice try, but as usual, wrong. the thread is about astrology and the actual effects of living in an electric solar system and how those effects affect the human

you insist on misunderstanding many subjects at once, maybe just try to be mystified by medical science alone in this thread, it will help speed you along to total ignore ants
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:09 am

The simple fact is you used a scientist who is working on dark matter to provide a criteria for your critique. Nothing to do with the actual topic just your failure to see (deliberate or not) the stupidity in doing so.

I dont have to try, you simply do it yourself, foot shooting.

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by fire » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:59 am

jliat wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:09 am
The simple fact is you used a scientist who is working on dark matter to provide a criteria for your critique. Nothing to do with the actual topic just your failure to see (deliberate or not) the stupidity in doing so.

I dont have to try, you simply do it yourself, foot shooting.
hilarious, if you think dark matter theory isnt related to the universe or astrology or even medical science then you arent even at entry level understanding of anything. your books have failed you
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Re: Astrology -the only real science

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Re: Astrology -the only real science

Post by jliat » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:28 am

fire wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:59 am
jliat wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:09 am
The simple fact is you used a scientist who is working on dark matter to provide a criteria for your critique. Nothing to do with the actual topic just your failure to see (deliberate or not) the stupidity in doing so.

I dont have to try, you simply do it yourself, foot shooting.
hilarious, if you think dark matter theory isnt related to the universe or astrology or even medical science then you arent even at entry level understanding of anything. your books have failed you
You seem to fail to understand my point which is nothing to do with the topic but your line of argument. And is nothing to do with 'books' or youtube- your source of wisdom.

1. This work (A) is wrong and the justification methodology for it is false.

2. This other work (B) is wrong, but can be corrected by using the justification methods in 1.

As before you have contradicted yourself. What you lack is not to be gained from youtube or books or insights in your head but the ability to follow an argument with someone who points out a contradiction.

What you need is to talk and discuss with real people whose ideas are not your own and listen to the way in which a case can be made. And try to form an argument which does not contradict itself. Wrapping up your ideas in goo goo mysticism and attacking the intelligence of others is not going to work- for anyone other than a delusional person. Thats why no one save me takes you seriously here...

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