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Post by fire » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:17 am

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Action Hunger is committed to alleviating poverty and hardship amongst the homeless. We install vending machines that provide free food and clothing in key locations of cities across the United Kingdom — and beyond.
lol as fuck, poverty and hardship are by-products of social order, especially capitalism, giving people food and clothing does nothing to stop suffering, it just makes it easier to suffer, a certain contingent must always suffer, otherwise the rich dont feel wealthy
The machines dispense water, fresh fruit, energy bars, crisps, chocolate, and sandwiches, as well as socks, sanitary towels, antibacterial lotion, toothbrush and toothpaste combination packs, and books. A considerable amount of the food we vend is received from redistribution organisations that seek to reduce food waste.
we got yer guaranteed basic income right here in this box, the gubmint hand selected these products to provide for your needs, dont forget to read the books, they tell you how to get along proper in our homeless utopia
Use of the machines is exclusively permitted to those in need, and items can only be vended with the use of a special key card, which our partner organisations in each locality give to our users.
alternatively, you can have your hand or forehead tattooed with your citizen number
At the most elementary level, Action Hunger's machines provide access for the most vulnerable in our society to satiate the most basic of needs — that of sustenance.
"we are cementing control over every single human action, youre either with us or youre a ditchface"

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Post by ¼ dead » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:45 am

bread and circuses, the road to hell, etc. etc.

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Post by amishrobots » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:22 am

Maybe you're just an asshole.
Who suffers when you help the poor?

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Post by Laura91 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:44 am

amishrobots wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:22 am
Maybe you're just an asshole.
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Post by fire » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:02 am

amishrobots wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:22 am
Maybe you're just an asshole.
Who suffers when you help the poor?
no, youre just too stupid to understand the implications.

herding, manipulation and punishment used together to control actions, reduce freedoms.


helping the poor is a waste of resources, it would be best to get rid of them, either economically or just physically
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Post by xdugef » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:33 am

If Fire had his way this machine would actually be a homeless person trap and suicide machine that then creates more bait using Soylent Green.. IT'S PEOPLE!
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Post by Laura91 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:13 am

fire wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:02 am
amishrobots wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:22 am
Maybe you're just an asshole.
Who suffers when you help the poor?
no, you're just too stupid to understand the implications.

herding, manipulation, and punishment used together to control actions, reduce freedoms.


helping the poor is a waste of resources, it would be best to get rid of them, either economically or just physically
Fuck you.

So, giving tax breaks to corporations that send jobs overseas and throw people out of work is a good thing? How about spending trillions of dollars on the military-industrial complex? (Even when the people at the Pentagon are saying that they don't need it.) How about ever-increasing automation? That's a good thing too, eh? Giving tax breaks to the ultra-rich and the rich in the lower income bracket is just fucking fabulous. THEN, you expect people that are working jobs with lowering wages to pick up the fucking slack? How about addressing the decreasing buying power of the dollar? It's all connected.

And, just to get this out of the way: Fuck you and whatever your fucking response is. You know fuck-all, you dunce.

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Post by s.p.i.n. » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:59 pm

Oh please, I don't even need the ditch.

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Post by jliat » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:40 am

“helping the poor is a waste of resources, it would be best to get rid of them, either economically or just physically “

Surprisingly is not all stupid. Physically isn't an option, ignoring the ethical issues, others would simply fill the place. I wont elaborate but its well founded. Just think about how each successive wave of migrants replaces the previous as the but of jokes and prejudice. But getting rid of the poor economically is not that bad an idea. Remember the “give a person a fish and you feed them for a day, teach them how to fish and you feed them for life”. And more surprisingly Daric has a point which is shared by Slavoj Zizek! Of all people. Aid isn't the answer, education is. How many Harvard graduates are poor?

Unfortunately in many things the UK follows the USA. My education was free. Even to degree level. Now students pay fees. This has several bad effects. First no one (or few) who is poor goes on to higher education. Secondly no one studies pointless courses like Fine Art. Thirdly, students paying fees are customers and so are always right. And we arrive at the crazy situation where someone unemployed on benefit cannot study because if they do they loose their benefit!

I'm afraid the self sufficient ideas of Mr Fire just don't work in advanced societies. Not educating the poor is a waste of resources. Companies like Google need smart people... And any smart person would reason that they, the poor, need the best teachers, and the children of the middle classes probably don't need any, their parents do it.

You simply do the math, cost of keeping someone on benefit for life, Vs cost of giving them a free and well resourced education which makes them employable. Do this for 20 potential dropouts and you get something like a 10% success rate is cost effective.

So the question is why not do this. The answer is the people in power (of all political parties) want their kids to do well, and not the others...


As a footnote, Art Schools were often attacked as being a waste of money in the UK. Until someone pointed out that the likes of Eric Clapton, The Beatles, Brian Eno ... and many others, punk, etc came from art schools, and then do the sums as to how much income they brought to the UK.

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Post by fire » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:54 am

Laura91 wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:13 am
So, giving tax breaks to corporations that send jobs overseas and throw people out of work is a good thing?
wat? apparently you have confused me with someone else, i abhor the corporation
Laura91 wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:13 am
How about spending trillions of dollars on the military-industrial complex? (Even when the people at the Pentagon are saying that they don't need it.)
so actually, this is working pretty good, lots of dangerously stupid people are occupied, sequestered from society, kept busy doing and making useless shit, most war equipment wears out waiting to be used, never killing anyone but providing economic support for the dimmest of bulbs, its practically a social wellfare net
Laura91 wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:13 am
How about ever-increasing automation? That's a good thing too, eh?
uh, you dont understand when i say"ditchface"?
Laura91 wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:13 am
Giving tax breaks to the ultra-rich and the rich in the lower income bracket is just fucking fabulous. THEN, you expect people that are working jobs with lowering wages to pick up the fucking slack?
How about addressing the decreasing buying power of the dollar? It's all connected.
so, im guessing you just turned on cnn and copied verbatim some arguements being sputtered by a whore paint snarky bitch, try thinking for yourself
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:13 am
And, just to get this out of the way: Fuck you and whatever your fucking response is. You know fuck-all, you dunce.
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Re: guaranteed basic ditchface

Post by fire » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:12 am

jliat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:40 am
Education!
i would so much like to agree with you, really, seems like an intelligent population might solve some problems, but...

who decides what knowledge is, or what parts to teach and which left unsaid? human is bias

and to what end, how does knowledge improve the human condition?

it takes no intelligence to breathe,

some discernment is needed to choose clean water and proper foods, but no more than the average child displays,

some knowledge of environs helps with sheltering,

but past that, i shit when i have to and i fuck when my dicks hard.


unapplied knowledge just gets you where we are now, with knowledgable people putting the thumb screws to the illiterate masses

for reference see: global warming, fusion power, dark matter...
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Post by xdugef » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:00 am

Surely our very stable genius of a president will figure it out
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Post by jliat » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:08 am

I think its a mistake to confuse education with intelligence. Many who are considered 'poor' are uneducated yet just as intelligent if not more so than affluent middle class people. In the UK they gave an ex government minister the challenge to look after a family on benefit for a week, they failed by day 3. It maybe is more difficult to survive in those conditions... which is why I said its a wasted resource. But the system is stacked against them, and i've plenty of examples. For instance kids of 4 or 5 from poor families start school unable to hold a pencil, knife and fork or communicate well. Middle class kids of the same age can already read and write.

And you might get support for your ideas, contrary to the given notion middle class kids do well because they DO NOT challenge the system, whereas poor kids do. They have a basic instinct not to trust those in power. The Trump thing is very indicative. Or the UK Brexit. A guy from a run down part of the North said he didn't care if voting Brexit made his life worse, he just wanted to get his own back on the rich middle class from London.

As I said its naïve to confuse education with intelligence. Which is why I guess Zizek, (a Marxist) would have voted for Trump, to basically fuck the rich middle class democrats who had taken for granted their traditional supporters and were in the pockets of corporate America getting rich from outsourcing to China and India...

Revolutions occur when a group no longer has anything to live for... which again is why Zizek thinks 3rd world aid is bad, it supports regimes which can keep a population just alive just enough not to start a revolution.

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