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Post by xdugef » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:23 pm

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FUKUSHIMA & TRICLOSAN
Thankfully the EPA is being done away with so clearly these problems will be solved once and for all!!!

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Post by fire » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:33 pm

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fire wrote: WE ARE SIMPLY RETURNING TO THE CONDITIONS THAT ALLOWED THE MEGAFAUNA TO THRIVE
Entropy says no..

also we are moving farther away from the sun
ah, now we are getting somewhere

yes, we are dying, look around and behold the smallest fraction of life that this planet has had since life came here

we will not return to those good ol days, even with cloning of dinosaur dna, which would be quite disturbing since the megafauna existed during a peiod of decreased gravity allowing everything to be larger, reconstructed dinosaur muscle is incapable of mobilizing such a large body in our current gravity, the t-rex couldnt stand or even breathe today

the gravity changed during the catastrophe, the comet that extinguished the dinosaurs also changed the earths dark mode discharge(produces gravity) by the addition of mass

the fact that we are drifting away from the sun is related to the solar discharge(produces system gravity) that cycles periodically, when the sun returns to maximum we will begin drifting in again

the earth will drift away eventually when the sun goes out, within a couple hundred years my guess
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Post by crochambeau » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:13 pm

fire wrote:NO CHANGE OF AMPLITUDE CAN OCCUR, IT IS FIXED WITH THE SUNS OUTPUT
While I agree that human refinement of radionuclides and other chemicals is an important issue it seems that even if the energy of the sun is constant any alterations in the refractive index of our atmosphere or the shift of the exosphere from an endothermic layer to exothermic (or even passband) would account for increased swing in measured heat, be it sinking into the rock or equalizing with regions of lesser heat (previously referred to as "cold" and/or "space").

Therefore your statement that change cannot occur to me rings as false or unproven.
fire wrote:THESE ARE NORMAL FLUCTUATIONS CONSISTENT WITH WARMING FROM AN ICE AGE
Now that we agree things CAN change again I'm ready for another run around the bush.
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Post by fire » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:47 pm

crochambeau wrote:...even if the energy of the sun is constant any alterations in the refractive index of our atmosphere or the shift of the exosphere from an endothermic layer to exothermic (or even passband) would account for increased swing in measured heat...
no, it would not

the baseline is "cold", also the trough, it is fixed, no amount of earth matter can force a temp lower than this(as long as the sun shines)

at the peak there is also a fixed limit, sun cannot warm earth past this temp

for thousands of years we have been in a reduced amplitude fluctuation due to the ice age, lows and highs have been constrained by feedback forcing(ice in the water(32F), clouds in sky)

now as we warm back to normal, the swings will reflect this, highs higher and lows lower

at no time in history did we warm out of control since we are here now

no artificial inputs(meteors, man) have produced runaway warming or cooling in history because 99% of the climate is the sun, that is why we have swings from ice to warmth, and not just a frozen rock or a blistering hell
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Post by crochambeau » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:28 pm

fire wrote:now as we warm back to normal, the swings will reflect this, highs higher and lows lower
Curious as to the source of this "hard data" you provide.
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Post by fire » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:44 pm

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Post by xdugef » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:51 pm

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fire wrote:now as we warm back to normal, the swings will reflect this, highs higher and lows lower
Curious as to the source of this "hard data" you provide.

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Post by fire » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:18 pm

crochambeau wrote:
fire wrote:now as we warm back to normal, the swings will reflect this, highs higher and lows lower
Curious as to the source of this "hard data" you provide.
alright, alright, settle down

the paleoclimate record seems like a good start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoclimatology

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Major drivers for the preindustrial ages have been variations of the sun, volcanic ashes and exhalations, relative movements of the earth towards the sun and tectonically induced effects as for major sea currents, watersheds and ocean oscillations. In the early Phanerozoic, increased atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations have been linked to driving or amplifying increased global temperatures. Royer et al. 2004 found a climate sensitivity for the rest of the Phanerozoic which was calculated to be similar to today's modern range of values.
i heartily disagree with their uneducated speculation about co2, but to the point, the graph shows the extremes available
The difference in global mean temperatures between a fully glacial Earth and an ice free Earth is estimated at approximately 10 °C, though far larger changes would be observed at high latitudes and smaller ones at low latitudes
an unattributed quote, but its in the ballpark no matter what data set is used
The relatively warm local minimum between Jurassic and Cretaceous goes along with an increase of subduction and mid-ocean ridge volcanism due to the breakup of the Pangea supercontinent.

Superimposed on the long-term evolution between hot and cold climates have been many short-term fluctuations in climate similar to, and sometimes more severe than, the varying glacial and interglacial states of the present ice age. Some of the most severe fluctuations, such as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, may be related to rapid climate changes due to sudden collapses of natural methane clathrate reservoirs in the oceans.
absolute speculative bullshit, these changes, all of the major ones, were energized by outside forces, plate tectonics is bullshit, volcanos are bullshit, everything they told you about the inside of the earth has been absolute bullshit, all of those are driven by the electric coupling with the sun, we do not live on a slowly cooling molten rock, hogwash

note that according to the graph, we are still warming toward "normal"
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Post by xdugef » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:47 pm

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note that according to the graph, we are still warming toward "normal"
We are? It looks like it's trajectory is downward below normal

Or did you mean this graph..

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or maybe this graph?

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Post by crochambeau » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:17 pm

fire wrote:these changes, all of the major ones, were energized by outside forces
Whom/which?
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Post by crochambeau » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:24 pm

xdugef wrote: or maybe this graph?

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I seriously dispute these findings. ;)
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Post by fire » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:15 pm

crochambeau wrote:
fire wrote:these changes, all of the major ones, were energized by outside forces
Whom/which?
The relatively warm local minimum between Jurassic and Cretaceous goes along with an increase of subduction and mid-ocean ridge volcanism due to the breakup of the Pangea supercontinent.
subduction doesnt exist(tectonics), its just speculation, and volcanos are not what we are taught in school, the models for volcanos dont work and mainstream science admits they know nothing about how they work, just lots of speculation.

induction causes volcanos and earthquakes with the solar weather being the number one factor in their frequency and intensity
Superimposed on the long-term evolution between hot and cold climates have been many short-term fluctuations in climate similar to, and sometimes more severe than, the varying glacial and interglacial states of the present ice age. Some of the most severe fluctuations, such as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, may be related to rapid climate changes due to sudden collapses of natural methane clathrate reservoirs in the oceans.
laughable if i didnt think they were serious, the release of that much methane would most likely kill everything and curiously, it didnt ignite with over 1000 lightning strikes on earth every minute(no conflagration in the fossil record)
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