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Post by jliat » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:53 am

clemon!09. wrote:
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clemon!09. wrote:i don't think it's suitable to magnify someone's innocent mental problems, or to try to make someone feel bad for something they've done well.
Who is this addressed to? Or is it a comment about yourself?
sorry maybe i misunderstood - it was in reference to niall's "imposter" post.
I didn't 'magnify' - i actually wasn't aware that this was a common mental problem-
but posting it on a blog? Maybe he is a brilliant scientist - maybe a fake? He faked his analysis of my graph - deliverately looking for one with mistakes in it. Then torrents of bad language - maybe Coprolalia associated with Tourette syndrome..? Or just plain abuse?

No one is bothered but he tore into me over a graph lacking an X axis. Then hey - some guys at Manchester with physics Phds used statistical techniques to decide if a text was meaningful or nonsense - and there was a graph with no x axis!

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Post by timdrage » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:07 am

the actual data in the graph and how 'correct' it was didn't, to be fair, have any bearing on the specific criticism of the graph he was making tho

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Post by Niallllll » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:18 am

jliat wrote:
but posting it on a blog? Maybe he is a brilliant scientist - maybe a fake?
I prefer competent in a small area of expertise that I cling to
jliat wrote: He faked his analysis of my graph - deliverately looking for one with mistakes in it. Then torrents of bad language - maybe Coprolalia associated with Tourette syndrome..? Or just plain abuse?
I didn't fake anything.... I seen the old graph told you what was wrong, then saw a new graph and extracted data from it and took it as granted that a figure that comes after another was the newest and that you're correlative claims don't stand (even though I prefaced what I said with what I said earlier, both axes are non independent).

And yes, bad language is just plain abuse.... It's the internet dawg!
jliat wrote: No one is bothered but he tore into me over a graph lacking an X axis. Then hey - some guys at Manchester with physics Phds used statistical techniques to decide if a text was meaningful or nonsense - and there was a graph with no x axis!
Oh yaah? tell us moar. Not the same as you I'm afraid...... sorry do you think all graphs are the same? They were using an information theoretic approach weren't they? Slightly different yet significant enough to not equate to what you were doing.

It was lacking an x axis for a reason.......... you were speaking of correlations and other kind of statistical terminology that relate to the comparison of TWO or more variables.... you had one!
So how was that a correlation or relationship or an indication of anything?
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Post by jliat » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:24 am

timdrage wrote:the actual data in the graph and how 'correct' it was didn't, to be fair, have any bearing on the specific criticism of the graph he was making tho
Not sure what you mean - he dismissed the first graph as not having an X axis.
Then he begrudgingly said there was a correlation - but not enough points. Which I took to mean samples? But the graph I posted from the Manchester guys which was a bar chart - had no x axis data. I can very simply plot the data like that- and did - no response from Niall. This lack of replies when I give evidence - has become typical. So as I say there is not much to say to Niall- and he can be as exasperated as he wants.

I don't get him - now he posts that he has a higher opinion of Clemon than I do? Sorry - what is that to do with this? His blog post - he says isn't a problem - but then you guys say it is - or could be - and I'm wrong for posting it… OK

Enough said - ?

Well Niall seems to be posting 'trolling questions' as you say -

is there an emoticon of someone not being bothered :whistle:

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Post by RJMyato » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:44 am

He posted that out of a very human sense of self doubt and bringing it up as if it suggests he's actually a "fake" is just being mean and petty

"Jilboob" is funny and silly, posting a personal blog post to make some ad hominem point isnt

I really didnt like when you brought up clem being schiz either and afaicr mentioned that at the time

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Post by RJMyato » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:02 am

Sry if i offended you by callin you old btw was not intended as an insult

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Post by fire » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:18 am

timananda wrote:Funny that you'd (if accidentally) make up straw men while arguing with fire, its not like there's a shortage of nonsense and incorrect statements in what he actually DID post.

(p.s of course it's not true that his posts will ever make sense either but that was nOt the point)
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Post by timdrage » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:52 am

All right yoda

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Post by jliat » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:22 am

RJMyato wrote:He posted that out of a very human sense of self doubt and bringing it up as if it suggests he's actually a "fake" is just being mean and petty

"Jilboob" is funny and silly, posting a personal blog post to make some ad hominem point isnt

I really didnt like when you brought up clem being schiz either and afaicr mentioned that at the time

Re Niall - "Cunt" and "pompous buffoon Jiliboob" and much more - I can ignore - I did assume he was perhaps a teenager- and if you find these terms amusing - fine. As for his blog - he had obviously acted mendaciously in selecting a graph which I had posted as an example of an error- the blog post made me wonder as to his academic honesty -that is all. The matter I regard as closed - and I'll ignore future posts from him.

Re Clemon. - I have worked on two releases with him - paid for one - produced the art work - set up paid for and maintained his web site. For reasons I wont discuss here I had to break contact. The only reason I referred to his illness was in a post where he seemed to say it prevented him from understanding something. Similar to his assertion to his degree… It was not meant as a put down - he may have taken it so - but then checkout the exchange you had in the poetry thread. You called him far worse. I wont re-post.

Hope this clears things up - I've no interest in mutual trolling - despite the impression I might give at times.

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Post by fire » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:32 am

does everyone keep forgetting that clem is a pathological liar?
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Post by jliat » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:34 am

fire wrote:does everyone keep forgetting that clem is a pathological liar?
I don't think he is - "original thinker" perhaps.....

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Post by fire » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:36 am

seems like constantly making shit up and then backtracking then making more shit up is the definition.
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Post by RJMyato » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:37 am

jliat wrote:
RJMyato wrote:He posted that out of a very human sense of self doubt and bringing it up as if it suggests he's actually a "fake" is just being mean and petty

"Jilboob" is funny and silly, posting a personal blog post to make some ad hominem point isnt

I really didnt like when you brought up clem being schiz either and afaicr mentioned that at the time

Re Niall - "Cunt" and "pompous buffoon Jiliboob" and much more - I can ignore - I did assume he was perhaps a teenager- and if you find these terms amusing - fine. As for his blog - he had obviously acted mendaciously in selecting a graph which I had posted as an example of an error- the blog post made me wonder as to his academic honesty -that is all. The matter I regard as closed - and I'll ignore future posts from him.

Re Clemon. - I have worked on two releases with him - paid for one - produced the art work - set up paid for and maintained his web site. For reasons I wont discuss here I had to break contact. The only reason I referred to his illness was in a post where he seemed to say it prevented him from understanding something. Similar to his assertion to his degree… It was not meant as a put down - he may have taken it so - but then checkout the exchange you had in the poetry thread. You called him far worse. I wont re-post.

Hope this clears things up - I've no interest in mutual trolling - despite the impression I might give at times.
All fine. I think i said what i said initially because i do have some respect for you and wouldnt want your presence to devolve into spite / meanness. Honestly i dont see any of this as worth it and wonder why youbother

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Post by jliat » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:44 am

RJMyato wrote:
All fine. I think i said what i said initially because i do have some respect for you and wouldnt want your presence to devolve into spite / meanness. Honestly i dont see any of this as worth it and wonder why youbother
Yes - i wonder also - not just about me - but in the poetry thread - your patience was remarkable - but you were like a rock - and clemon the rain.....


As for Niall - well yes, but i intend to use the Stdev thing as part of a paper... i mean
it might be my gimmick - Badiou has set theory, Deleuze differential Calculus ...
Lacan topology...

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Post by Niallllll » Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:07 am

Can't wait to read it...... And I would highly recommend ignoring me too.
Best thing to do is ignore people who find faults in something that your peddling.
Makes things easier that way.....

And how can you distinguish between wrong/right graphs when they are all wrong anyway!

I seem to be replying to all your vindications that what you done is ok, go back 1 page, even less and you will find all the responses necessary!
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