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Post by Niallllll » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:17 am

Picture a room in a community hall where a group are gathering to discuss something that they like to do. Some people know each other outside of this group, others don't. Sure there are people that have their issues and there is an odd flare up between people that burns out quickly and an unstable peace is restored once more.

Now, one day a mysterious out of towner arrives one day and within a minute he has already started shouting things that are almost completely unrelated to what is going on around him. "ADORNO!, TIMESTRETCH!, SOCIAL DRIFT!, QUESTION QUESTION QUESTION... NO I DON'T WANT THAT ANSWER, GIVE ME ANOTHER". At first the group are a little taken aback but they let him stay, a bit of an oddity and hard to quantify.

But after a while, people get impatient and decide that they have heard enough. Either bring up something relevant and that other people might be interested in or else we will only respond with contempt.

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That is what you have done. People have given you chances to ingratiate yourself into the group but you have always opposed it. In fact you seem to make a point of making people angry at you so that you can play the victim card. There is no bullying here. you're annoying and have invaded every group you join and not adhered to any loosely described etiquette that is prescribed. If you want to discuss philosophy, go to a philosophy forum..... You still have not tried the one thing that would guarantee a reduction in hatred towards you.

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Post by xdugef » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:19 am

Niallllll wrote: If you want to discuss philosophy, go to a philosophy forum....
DEAR SIR! that's just plain crazy talk

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Post by zombra » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:36 am

jliat wrote:Finally art an music might be about HUMAN communication - noise is not. Its part of a much bigger thing called the REAL WORLD outside of the human correlation.
interesting... would noise be REAL WORLD communication then?
jliat wrote:But - even if some objective test could be found for measuring what HUMANS think is Harsh or Noisy or A WALL, it would be of no interest to ME. As that again is limited to the Anthropocentric view of reality.

but does your (human) interest in this movement towards an objective measure of (harsh) noise bring it into human view of reality?
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Post by clemon!09. » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:25 am

can we talk about another crazy idea? i'm bored of meaninglessness, no-one knows who disagrees. and STDEV too, is a pretty weak measure at best.

i am gonna say that the rhythms of noise inspired poetry become in themselves content. so if pound is right that all rhythm must be meaningful, then he better watch out what he says with it.

is that reprehensibly dim witted?
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Post by RJMyato » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:25 pm

WHAT noise inspired poetry

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Post by Laura91 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:48 pm

RJMyato wrote:WHAT noise inspired poetry
http://highschoolradiosubversionnetwork ... e-in-cincy

This. :lol:

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Post by clemon!09. » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:59 pm

RJMyato wrote:WHAT noise inspired poetry
ok noise poetry readers?
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Post by RJMyato » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:17 pm

RJMyato wrote:WHAT noise poetry readers

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Post by Jackie Kennedy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:34 pm

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Post by clemon!09. » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:03 pm

RJMyato wrote:
RJMyato wrote:WHAT noise poetry readers
did noise change how you saw poetry at all??

It may sound strange but I may believe that noise can inspire poetry is a specific way. Perhaps it means that in poetry or the reading of poetry, the poem's own rhythms are content as well as form. Rhythm does not simply add something to the logical meaning of the verse, but is in itself meaningful, so that there is an extra layer of coherence or incoherence in poetry. I would argue that e.g. Pound's poetry, where there are many styles each criticizing one another , the poem is in some sense incoherent, as if he we were writing a self contradictory story. Which I don't necessarily think would be a bad thing.

Sorry if that sounds super strange.
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Post by RJMyato » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:28 pm

clemon!09. wrote:
RJMyato wrote:
RJMyato wrote:WHAT noise poetry readers
did noise change how you saw poetry at all??
no
Perhaps it means that in poetry or the reading of poetry, the poem's own rhythms are content as well as form. Rhythm does not simply add something to the logical meaning of the verse, but is in itself meaningful, so that there is an extra layer of coherence or incoherence in poetry. I would argue that e.g. Pound's poetry, where there are many styles each criticizing one another , the poem is in some sense incoherent, as if he we were writing a self contradictory story. Which I don't necessarily think would be a bad thing.

Sorry if that sounds super strange.


has nothing to do with noise and is just, like basic modernism or not even but like basic aesthetics in general, christ

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Post by clemon!09. » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:01 pm

don't say "christ" it was a question.

do modernists say that explicitly? i'd really like a quote if you have one... like, is it pretty conventional to say that rhythm does not just contribute to content but is itself meaningful content independent of what is actually said??
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Post by RJMyato » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:03 pm

clemon!09. wrote:is it pretty conventional to say that rhythm does not just contribute to content but is itself meaningful content independent of what is actually said??
i mean the idea that aesthetics supports content or whatever is so conventional its trivial, this extends to the idea that certain rhythms have emotional character of their own the same way a certain musical key as an emotional content or whatever, i think you're overstating your premise to make it seem more sophisticated or radical than it is. poetry by definition is just writing that pays close attention to things like rhythm and so on

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Post by clemon!09. » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:04 pm

RJMyato wrote:
clemon!09. wrote:is it pretty conventional to say that rhythm does not just contribute to content but is itself meaningful content independent of what is actually said??
i mean the idea that aesthetics supports content or whatever is so conventional its trivial, this extends to the idea that certain rhythms have emotional character of their own the same way a certain musical key as an emotional content or whatever, i think you're overstating your premise to make it seem more sophisticated or radical than it is. poetry by definition is just writing that pays close attention to things like rhythm and so on
no of course i know that. the whole point is that if you over-state the premise does it say something new.
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Post by RJMyato » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:06 pm

like all you're saying is "wow rhythms have a content of their own which can support or contradict the actual denotative content of the words" which is like stupidly obvious and the basis of poetry and i have no idea why that would be considered an insight you're basically explaining poetry to someone on the most basic level imaginable

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