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Post by jliat » Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:35 am

All vinyl records (at least as far as I know) end in a locked groove. That is done to protect the stylus from drifting onto the label, etc. A locked groove simply never advances; the groove changes from the spiral it was on the way in to a closed circle. Many of us have experienced the heartbreak of a home-made locked groove, a.k.a. a "broken record" that repeats a phrase ad infinitum until one gets off the couch and picks up the tone arm and manually advances the needle.

Along the way, someone figured out that the "runout groove" was arable land waiting to be seized.

Why, then, would anyone do this on purpose? One finds albums of locked grooves in the "Library Music" world; discs of sound effects were manufactured for the purpose of providing the sound of a continually dripping faucet, say, for a radio drama, etc. DJs building dance tracks live, on the fly, in clubs or while recording, found that infinitely looping snippets were useful and worth stockpiling. Others were more playful.

I think that the recorded locked groove came, at some point, to represent the medium itself; one need only hear the reference to this experience on the Monty Python track which ends with the loop, "Sorry Squire, I scratched the record. Sorry Squire, I scratched the record. Sorry Squire, I scratched the record..."
Another Monty Python Record is the second album produced by the Monty Python comedy group, released in 1971.




the end of The Beatles 1967 Sgt. Pepper‘s LP.



1966 John Cale “Loop” flexidisc with Aspen Magazine >


16 Lock groove essentials:
1966 John Cale “Loop” flexidisc with Aspen Magazine >
1967 The Beatles “Sgt. Pepper” LP (UK Parlophone mono version) >
1975 Lou Reed “Metal Machine Music” 2xLP (end of side 4)
1978 Non (Boyd Rice) “Pagan Muzak”, 7” >
1986 Sonic Youth “Evol” LP (end of ‘Expressway to yr skull’)
1987 Lee Ranaldo “From Here to Infinity” LP, SST
1988 The Hafler Trio “In Out Of”, KK Records (end of side 1)
1993 RRR-100, 7”
1993 Stereolab ‘Lock Groove Lullaby’ from “Transient Random Noise Bursts With Announcements” LP, Duophonic, UK
1994 Vertonen “Lock Up! 1-15/Seizure”, 7”, Crippled Intellect Productions
1998 RRR-500, LP
1999 Stock, Hausen & Walkman “Buy Me/Sue Me” 7”, Hot Air
1999 Crawling With Tarts “In Their Sleep They Are Free”, 7”, Povertech Explorer Series (various hand-cut and incomplete grooves)
2007 Lee Ranaldo “All The Stars in the Sky” (lock groove/etched record)
2009 RRR-1000, LP
2009 Warp20 Infinite 2xLP (locked-groove loops from Warp tracks)

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Re: locked groove

Post by timdrage » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:54 am

Obsessed with Locked Groove records and will release one some day (labels get in touch plz :) )

Here's 2 on which there are some Cementimental grooves:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Minimal ... se/1298470 (1 of my locked grooves, not amazingly well cut, of a boiler squeaking. Couple of circuitbending/chiptune loops from others but it's mostly electro house despite being advertised in the open call as a 'noise compliation' :D )

https://www.discogs.com/various-The-Dat ... se/7556050 (got one or two of these for sale if anyone's interested)

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Re: locked groove

Post by timdrage » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:56 am

Lock groove essentials:
https://www.discogs.com/TR-909-Bass-Dru ... se/1649771

one of the purest I own: one sided, one single groove of a 4/4 kick :D

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Re: locked groove

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:08 am

there was some locked groove obscure noise comp around 2010 yet can't remember the name of it anymore
one groove per artiste... will need asking wtf that record/project was named anymore... ~shrug~
maybe it's in this list somewhere
https://www.discogs.com/lists/locked-groove/142401


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Re: locked groove

Post by clemon » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:50 am

2009 Warp20 Infinite 2xLP (locked-groove loops from Warp tracks)
:lol: :lol:
it's ok!

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Re: locked groove

Post by timdrage » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:53 am

nice list but i really wish they'd separate true 'locked groove records' from 100s of random rock albums with one locked groove at the end of some song :0/

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Re: locked groove

Post by Fletcher » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:27 am

clemon wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:50 am
2009 Warp20 Infinite 2xLP (locked-groove loops from Warp tracks)
:lol: :lol:
I have this, its quite nice.

Also these are awesome. I spent a while sampling and layering with a boss rc3 to construct my own live techno.

https://www.discogs.com/release/8616613

Some vinyl run out grooves sound awesome when amplified
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Re: locked groove

Post by clemon » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:43 am

Fletcher wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:27 am
clemon wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:50 am
2009 Warp20 Infinite 2xLP (locked-groove loops from Warp tracks)
:lol: :lol:
I have this, its quite nice.

Also these are awesome. I spent a while sampling and layering with a boss rc3 to construct my own live techno.

https://www.discogs.com/release/8616613

Some vinyl run out grooves sound awesome when amplified
i like how warp seem like they're breaking things, and how they seem to be saying "we are breaking this to some people" :)
it's ok!

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Re: locked groove

Post by timdrage » Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:44 am

I need to play/record some all-locked-groove DJ sets again. Easiest djing ever, you can basically mix any random grooves and it sound great and is perfectly beatmatched haha.

Here's some stuff i recorded years ago but it's pretty bad as one of the turntables at the venue was broken and kept powering down randomly

https://archive.org/details/Cementiment ... eAgeCity09
V/A - RRR-1000
V/A - Trunculence
V/A - Minimalizm vol 2 & 3
V/A - Yokomono 03
Stock, Hausen & Walkman - "Buy Me, Sue Me"
NON - "Pagan Muzak"
Disc - "Transfer"
DJ Swamp - "Never Ending Drum & Bass Loops Vol 1"
3 turntables would be best, i've found from doing this a couple of times that it can get a bit boring with just two, as you have no time at all to change records without leaving one single loop going for a while. :D

one time I played some on a DJ mixer where you could crossfade the high, mid and lows independently, that was fun!

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Re: locked groove

Post by clemon » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:00 am

you could crossfade the high, mid and lows
things i don't get

1. crossfade
2. delay

:lol: :lol:

why, tho?
it's ok!

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Re: locked groove

Post by Fletcher » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:27 am

My dj mixer has built in flange, gate, jet and filter effects. Fairly useless as it effects all channels in use. Like it would be mega handy to apply the gate to the incoming or outgoing track and not everything
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Re: locked groove

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:28 pm

timdrage wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:22 am
another good Noise one i have: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Truncul ... se/1413764
that's it... thanks!
yeah started thinking it was 2008... ugh was that 10+ years ago already... time goes so fast
the old Nihilist bunker days are all sort blur sometimes of fuct up movie marathons & circuits
remember that "project" & when the finished product finally showed up :P

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Re: locked groove

Post by nastymusicsounds » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:06 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:08 am
there was some locked groove obscure noise comp around 2010 yet can't remember the name of it anymore
one groove per artiste... will need asking wtf that record/project was named anymore... ~shrug~
maybe it's in this list somewhere
https://www.discogs.com/lists/locked-groove/142401
This is just a shot in the dark cause I'm sure there are a lot of things you could be talking about but this is something that comes to mind.
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Alphacu ... se/2438366

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Re: locked groove

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:39 am

this is actually the locked groove comp eye was referencing
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Truncul ... se/1413764

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