No Input Mixing - Purism

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by crochambeau » Sun May 27, 2018 8:42 am

Or "dry feedback"..

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by jliat » Sun May 27, 2018 8:49 am

"EMTMIXING"

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun May 27, 2018 10:19 am

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this will supposedly "cure" your "problem"

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun May 27, 2018 10:26 am

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Eye have actually been using the "NIMB Theory" for decades
MS20 headphones out into ESP then back into korg35 external input
VCO levels at 0
creates the similar "OTA/lm4558" type circuit feedback
Screaming "Resonance" loop as in later series
instant "Self Oscillation"
NIMB is circuit feedback self oscillating sine wave

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by Squaremile » Sun May 27, 2018 1:39 pm

Our brains want to make order out of things to create predictability and safety, even if it's more limiting. In noise, the landscape is so wide open that it can seem overwhelming. Some folks will seek to impose limits and rules so that we can create order and safety. Basically to create genre to safely create within. These types of values and rules can become dogma that is obviously a natural response to something so broad, but unfortunately it just recreates the same mess many of us have left in other forms of music. No input purism, the HNW manifesto, etc all fit the bill. Go ahead and do you, but it's not for me.

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by WhiteWarlock » Sun May 27, 2018 2:03 pm

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intelligent creative resourcefulness always supersedes any "social dogma"
raw catalyst of creative energy sparking evolution
some of us have been doing this for so long
that we can have problems seeing from perspectives of "noob"
gathering their tools
whatever they can afford
or get their hands upon
for "creating own sound"
& forming "own methods"
Alphas Betas & Zetas
that journey can be "harsh" learning experience
such is the path of learning harnessing raw creative energy for your own "agendas"
especially if you are not fond of following "fashion"
utilize info & interaction here as ideas/concepts/communications for reflecting upon
then mutating such energy into your own "style"
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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by MKULTRA » Wed May 30, 2018 4:21 am

jliat wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 11:55 pm
Terms though are often far from perfect, but just to label an object or method.


Misomusist wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 12:39 pm
Oh great, now we have the noise KKK club.
Do you really believe that? That isn't rhetorical or sarcastic. I'm actually curious.

Misomusist wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 1:10 pm
I think he still uses AOL, being an internet purist.
No Altavista is it for me thank you very much.
Then again in the '80s I was using MILNET, DDN and then later NIPRNET.




jliat wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 11:55 pm
FireAlarmPoet wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 7:22 pm

"No input" is such a misnomer anyway.
Terms though are often far from perfect, but just to label an object or method.
MKULTRA wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:23 am
What is an NIMB?
cracklehunter wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 2:50 am
No Input Mixer Board
s.p.i.n. wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 4:32 am
NIMB is a bullshit acronym
Agreed, because I had never heard it before cracklehunter used it in the thread that spawned this one.
FireAlarmPoet wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 7:22 am
I second the motion to replace "no-input" with "self-sourced."
I see the merit, but the term No Input Mixing (Mixer) has been in use for quite a while now enough so that it is a common concept like, HNW.

Squaremile wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 1:39 pm
Our brains want to make order out of things to create predictability and safety, even if it's more limiting. In noise, the landscape is so wide open that it can seem overwhelming. Some folks will seek to impose limits and rules so that we can create order and safety. Basically to create genre to safely create within. These types of values and rules can become dogma that is obviously a natural response to something so broad, but unfortunately it just recreates the same mess many of us have left in other forms of music. No input purism, the HNW manifesto, etc all fit the bill. Go ahead and do you, but it's not for me.
Nice try but, no. This has nothing to do with dogma or a manifesto or safety.

jliat wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 11:55 pm

Terms though are often far from perfect, but just to label an object or method.


Conceptually No Input Mixing (Mixer) is about minimalism and discipline.

MKULTRA wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:20 am
Minimalism combined with purity and sense of purpose is quite revealing if one is open and willing to embrace the process at hand.
WhiteWarlock wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 2:03 pm

intelligent creative resourcefulness always supersedes any "social dogma"
raw catalyst of creative energy sparking evolution
some of us have been doing this for so long
that we can have problems seeing from perspectives of "noob"
gathering their tools
whatever they can afford
or get their hands upon

"........this manner is not only innovative in the the sounds it can create but, more importantly, in the approach this method of working with the mixer demands. The unpredictability of the instrument requires an attitude of obedience and resignation to the system and the sounds it produces, bringing a high level of indeterminacy and surprise to the music. "


And leave it to Curtis for making sense of it all.
crochambeau wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:29 am
I think "purism" as a label hit's slightly askew of the intended mark, as the concept of purism is abused with abandon in our circles.

I prefer to think on these things as a discipline.

It's easier to see that
Bonehole wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:21 pm
any tendency towards purism would most probably be quite counterproductive.
becomes a more obvious false statement if read as "any tendency towards discipline would most probably be quite counterproductive." It is the concept of purism that is at fault, not the topic at hand.


Simply limit yourself to a fixed ruleset and explore.
If the mixer is not doing it for you, either learn to greater depths of what a mixer does, and/or build your own.



A mixing console is also known as an audio mixer, audio console, mixing desk, sound mixer, sound board, or simply as board or mixer.
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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by xdugef » Wed May 30, 2018 4:38 am

MKULTRA wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:21 am
A mixing console is also known as an audio mixer, audio console, mixing desk, sound mixer, sound board, or simply as board or mixer.
Just to cover all the bases.. Self Sourced No Input Audio Mixer Console Sound Board or SSNIAMCSB for short

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by puddysjacket » Wed May 30, 2018 1:40 pm

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by timdrage » Thu May 31, 2018 11:59 pm

One of my first albums back in 2002 was relatively pure no input stuff with absolute junk low end mixers (eg 3-channel camcorder audio mixers with no eq) https://cementimental.bandcamp.com/albu ... icity-2002

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