No Input Mixing - Purism

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No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by MKULTRA » Wed May 23, 2018 5:20 am

Recent posts concerning No Input Mixing display a marked divide in the concept and execution. I am a purist. The inherent noise from the mixer itself is the source material and manipulation of it's controls is the means to the end.
Toshimura Nakamura has evolved his technique to include other source material and modifiers but he began in the typical aesthetic Japanese manner of minimalism and purity.


crochambeau wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:52 pm
Palimpsest wrote:source material
But, then it ceases to be NO INPUT.

But, *no input* is really almost a discipline... similar to HNW. Though to be fair, I think the inclusion of a pedal ruins it for me.
Claud601 wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:50 am
I'm a purist ok guys NO PEDALS
timdrage wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:41 am
Yeah i'm pretty sure most of the pioneers of 'no input mixing' do/did use some FX too, we're being more purist than they even were.
"Toshimaru Nakamura's instrument is the no-input mixing board, which describes a way of using a standard mixing board as an electronic music instrument, producing sound without any external audio input. The use of the mixing board in this manner is not only innovative in the the sounds it can create but, more importantly, in the approach this method of working with the mixer demands. The unpredictability of the instrument requires an attitude of obedience and resignation to the system and the sounds it produces, bringing a high level of indeterminacy and surprise to the music. Nakamura pioneered this approach to the use of the mixing board in the mid-1990's."

Bonehole wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:21 pm
Purism in noise? I don't see the point.
If you don't see the point then TRY IT.
Bonehole wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:21 pm
any tendency towards purism would most probably be quite counterproductive.
Palpable nonsense.
Minimalism combined with purity and sense of purpose is quite revealing if one is open and willing to embrace the process at hand.


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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by crochambeau » Wed May 23, 2018 5:29 am

I think "purism" as a label hit's slightly askew of the intended mark, as the concept of purism is abused with abandon in our circles.

I prefer to think on these things as a discipline.

It's easier to see that
Bonehole wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:21 pm
any tendency towards purism would most probably be quite counterproductive.
becomes a more obvious false statement if read as "any tendency towards discipline would most probably be quite counterproductive." It is the concept of purism that is at fault, not the topic at hand.

Simply limit yourself to a fixed ruleset and explore.

If the mixer is not doing it for you, either learn to greater depths of what a mixer does, and/or build your own.


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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by jliat » Wed May 23, 2018 9:52 am

Meta-purism

No output mixing.



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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by Misomusist » Wed May 23, 2018 12:39 pm

Oh great, now we have the noise KKK club. :wall:
I think trying to quantify music is one of the biggest wastes of time in the world, like discussing your favourite colour or deity or pizza topping. People should realise that and get on with their life.

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by WhiteWarlock » Wed May 23, 2018 12:50 pm


hears your response

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by Bonehole » Thu May 24, 2018 2:38 am

MKULTRA wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:20 am
If you don't see the point then TRY IT.
No. I wonder why you use such a large fiont size. And captials. Maybe you type in the dark. I wondered if that was a purist thing. But...
MKULTRA wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:20 am
Palpable nonsense.
Ah! You're a character in a Charles Dickens novel. I don't take orders from you.

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by xdugef » Thu May 24, 2018 6:02 am

Ugh.. a feedback loop is just a signal generator .. using a mixer to create a feedback loop is just an exercise in redundancy and excess not that there is anything wrong with it but I find it absurd to associate it with purism.

If you want to get into purism and feedback loop signal generation then here ya go..
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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by Misomusist » Thu May 24, 2018 1:10 pm

Bonehole wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 2:38 am
MKULTRA wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:20 am
If you don't see the point then TRY IT.
No. I wonder why you use such a large fiont size. And captials. Maybe you type in the dark. I wondered if that was a purist thing. But...
I think he still uses AOL, being an internet purist.
I think trying to quantify music is one of the biggest wastes of time in the world, like discussing your favourite colour or deity or pizza topping. People should realise that and get on with their life.

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by timdrage » Thu May 24, 2018 5:26 pm

A 'mixer' is a completely arbitrarily definition of a certain arrangement of op amps and inputs and outputs that would probably prove veery difficult to pin down if one were to get really pedantic


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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by WhiteWarlock » Thu May 24, 2018 5:51 pm

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"pure or impure"
use that little box for taking mixer headphone out
back in 4x channels
extra easy control opamp stages w/multiplier
saw it floating around here and asked myself
hmmm
what about using something like that for NIMB w/1202VLZ or whatever
was better than my original idea for post on this thread
eye have old peavey MD series live sound mixers that cannibalize and reuse the parts
making modules/noise boxes/FX
does that count or not if use non original power supply:P
"pure" recycled mixers :P
hey it's a inexpensive source for audio grade components buy it now doa as is

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Re: No Input Mixing - Purism

Post by WhiteWarlock » Thu May 24, 2018 6:04 pm

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AOL?
nah
hmm have some of those free AOL floppy disks with samples on them
already had t1 access by the time they hit "the web"
learned using unix as "basic" evolution very early
Arpanet
when wasn't running BBS or calling ones around the world for free
BlueBox
2600
Lynx
before there were GUI html web browsers
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you should "learn" unix
yet be forewarned it's not "simple" point and click
internet for total l33t "Purists" & "PsyberPunks" Only
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