Different cassette types in multitrack recorders

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Different cassette types in multitrack recorders

Post by Bakon » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:18 pm

Does it really matter what kind of cassettes you shove in a cassette multitracker?
Like, if the manual says to use eq 70 cassettes ONLY, does it really mean ONLY or can I use 120 eq cassettes as well? What's the actual difference?

120 min cassettes I can understand, since the tape is so thin it might break under the stress, and I don't think you can even get metal tapes these days, but most new cassettes I can find online or nearby stores are 120 eq's.

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Post by timdrage » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:37 pm

I've used all sorts of stupid/cheap tapes in them. Long tapes are indeed more likely to snap. Type I tapes won't sound as good as type II. Both/any are fine/great for noise.

Clean and demagnetize your tape heads regularly and use whatever tapes you can get is my advice. :)

I use C90s all the time and only had old/broken players chew them, and use type I with OK results.

I put a Chrome C1 (!!) tape in my 4track once and it snapped immediately upon reaching the end.:D
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Post by Bakon » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:26 pm

Ok, so it's more of a sound quality thing as I suspected.
And sound quality be fucked.

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Post by xdugef » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:53 pm

Bakon wrote:Ok, so it's more of a sound quality thing as I suspected.
And sound quality be fucked.
Longer tapes are thinner and more likely to warp stretch or break

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Post by Bakon » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:58 pm

xdugef wrote:
Bakon wrote:Ok, so it's more of a sound quality thing as I suspected.
And sound quality be fucked.
Longer tapes are thinner and more likely to warp stretch or break
Ya, but I don't think that has nothing to do with eq, since you get just as long tapes both with eq 70 and eq 120.

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Post by xdugef » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:34 pm

Bakon wrote:
xdugef wrote:
Bakon wrote:Ok, so it's more of a sound quality thing as I suspected.
And sound quality be fucked.
Longer tapes are thinner and more likely to warp stretch or break
Ya, but I don't think that has nothing to do with eq, since you get just as long tapes both with eq 70 and eq 120.
You asked if it really matters what kind of cassettes you shove in a cassette multitracker... shove whatever tapes you want.. I'm just pointing out the potential hazard of using longer tapes.

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Post by timdrage » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:43 pm

Bakon wrote:Ok, so it's more of a sound quality thing as I suspected.
And sound quality be fucked.
It just has a bit less frequency range. It's fine, probably there's something wron with your 4track if it sounds really bad. Even low grade type 1 tape will sound better in a 4 track (assuming you're recording at high speed) than in a normal tape recorder.

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Post by xdugef » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:49 pm

timdrage wrote:(assuming you're recording at high speed)
even more of a reason to avoid long tapes

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Post by MKULTRA » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:53 pm

Reuse / recycle old tapes.
DIY or DIE!!!!!
Spray paint the phuk out of them.

Less internet - more doing.

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Post by Sleep Of Ages » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:15 pm

MKULTRA wrote:
Less internet
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Post by xdugef » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:40 pm

MKULTRA wrote:Reuse / recycle old tapes.
DIY or DIE!!!!!
Spray paint the phuk out of them.

Less internet - more doing.

just dunk the fucking tapes in house paint and call it a day
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Post by Sleep Of Ages » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:01 pm

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Post by Bakon » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:41 pm

xdugef wrote:
Bakon wrote:
xdugef wrote:
Bakon wrote:Ok, so it's more of a sound quality thing as I suspected.
And sound quality be fucked.
Longer tapes are thinner and more likely to warp stretch or break
Ya, but I don't think that has nothing to do with eq, since you get just as long tapes both with eq 70 and eq 120.
You asked if it really matters what kind of cassettes you shove in a cassette multitracker... shove whatever tapes you want.. I'm just pointing out the potential hazard of using longer tapes.
Yes, but given that I also mentioned that I understand why 120 min tapes are a no-no because they might snap, it could be deduced I was aware of the hazards of longer tape.
(sorry, rough night)

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Post by xdugef » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:55 am

Bakon wrote:
xdugef wrote:
Bakon wrote:
xdugef wrote:
Bakon wrote:Ok, so it's more of a sound quality thing as I suspected.
And sound quality be fucked.
Longer tapes are thinner and more likely to warp stretch or break
Ya, but I don't think that has nothing to do with eq, since you get just as long tapes both with eq 70 and eq 120.
You asked if it really matters what kind of cassettes you shove in a cassette multitracker... shove whatever tapes you want.. I'm just pointing out the potential hazard of using longer tapes.
Yes, but given that I also mentioned that I understand why 120 min tapes are a no-no because they might snap, it could be deduced I was aware of the hazards of longer tape.
(sorry, rough night)
yeah long tapes are bad

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Post by timdrage » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:28 am

did anyone mention yet that long tapes are not very reliable? :D

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