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Grindingandrust
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Looking for a label

Post by Grindingandrust » Tue May 01, 2018 3:16 pm

Looking for a label that would be interested in releasing a physical copy of one of my albums from bandcamp
Thoughtcriminal1.bandcamp.com

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by MKULTRA » Wed May 02, 2018 1:35 am

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by WhiteWarlock » Wed May 02, 2018 8:01 am

or even grab an old recordex/telex "mono" 1 master to 3 copies high speed duplication deck for peanuts on ebay
they will copy 60 minute tape in about a minute or so
finding good "stereo" one of those machines is wee bit harder and way more expensive
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R ... r&_sacat=0
man those prices went up on mono and stereo
hmmm
glad eye stocked up :)
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Re: Looking for a label

Post by melkobukva » Wed May 02, 2018 8:10 am

duplication is easy

it's the logistic chain of serving individual customers that is a real bitch

from accepting payment to shipping

also somebody has to actually order your releases :D


getting signed by other people is a worthy goal
it makes you work harder and demand more of yourself
in order to get past the external gatekeepers
"releases" don't really matter, you can just upload everything and call it a day
but challenging yourself and allowing your work to be judged (by people you respect, of course) is the right thing to do
also, we're social animals, so peer approval feels pleasant, and getting signed is exactly this

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by WhiteWarlock » Wed May 02, 2018 8:23 am

"Sourcery"
using well established networks
from decades of building following
for widespread "Distro"
or else you need learning that yourself
DIY
was actually easier long ago
you would make contacts
with people at every possible underground record store
make lists
keep in touch
establish rapport
massive amount of work
Promotions

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by s.p.i.n. » Wed May 02, 2018 9:52 am

melkobukva wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 8:10 am
getting signed
who signed what? :huh:


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Re: Looking for a label

Post by xdugef » Wed May 02, 2018 3:15 pm

Grindingandrust wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 3:16 pm
Looking for a label that would be interested in releasing a physical copy of one of my albums from bandcamp
Sounds more like you are looking for a free dubbing service..

sarcasm aside.. as a person who occasionally puts out hard copies of other people's noise.. it is generally unappealing to me to spend money and effort on work that has already been put online.

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by RasTheDestroyer » Wed May 02, 2018 4:49 pm

Trade tapes,
Buy Blank CDs,
Burn em,
Start hawking em
SpaceGhostPurrp of noise

Noise Rap: https://thedarkthursday.bandcamp.com/tr ... tt-merzbow

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by melkobukva » Wed May 02, 2018 5:08 pm

xdugef wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 3:15 pm
Sounds more like you are looking for a free dubbing service.
What exactly is the difference? An honest question, genuinely interested in your take.

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by xdugef » Wed May 02, 2018 5:26 pm

melkobukva wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 5:08 pm
xdugef wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 3:15 pm
Sounds more like you are looking for a free dubbing service.
What exactly is the difference? An honest question, genuinely interested in your take.
If you pay for a dubbing service the packaging most likely will not be branded with the label's logo.

Basically my argument is that with this type of "music" the artist is probably most capable of selling their music to their friends. If a small label does it for them and gives the artist copies and the artist gives the copies away to their friends and fans then who the fuck is going to buy the label copies. Even worse is the idea that the work is already online basically for free.. so again who the fuck is gonna pay for it as a tape??

Now I understand that there are plenty of artist that either can't afford to make the physical copies or simply don't have the capability to do it.

But if you have the organizational skills to upload the work to the interwebs.. what exactly is the appeal of physical copies.. nostalgia?? Street cred??

I once had a fairly decent european noise project ask me to do a CDr release.. at the time I was game and then I asked how many copies thinking tops 50-100. The artists demands 200.. I knew it was extremely unlikely that I'd beable to move 200 copies.. especially if I was giving them a large number of them. Anyway.. I made the copies and then when I asked where they wanted their copies shipped they said oh you know I only want three copies of it... oh should I be thrilled ... more copies for me to sell right?? No... I was not thrilled.. more copies did not get sold.. actually very few copies got sold.. fortunately I had not dubbed all of them and so those got recorded over with some other random shit. At least I didn't have to spend much on shipping.. later I found out they had done a second distribution as tapes. The contacted me later asking for another release when I refused because the previous release did not sell very well they said it clearly was because I didn't know how to market the release... I suppose if I had a marketing department they would have said fuck this noise sell some pop music right? Anyway..

So I don't get it.. basically they just wanted to brag that they had a release with 200 copies... I will never do that again.

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by melkobukva » Wed May 02, 2018 5:50 pm

I apologize for the poorly worded question. I meant, what is the difference between a free dubbing service and a label? From the artist's point of view?

Is it the promotion and distribution? An established label supposedly has a customer base, contacs with zines and distros, maybe other perks which all translate into extra copies delivered to people who are not artist's friends.

Asking as a person who had never done business with labels, so I'm pretty clueless.

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by WhiteWarlock » Wed May 02, 2018 5:58 pm

the answer is distro networks & promo skills for pushing "product"
you are relying on other more skilled people getting you exposure
getting your music into the psyche of very specific select personas
especially when doing vinyl
you better have enough copies presold for making back initial investments
so you don't totally lose your ass on project
plus it better sell
no one can afford taking giant risks
especially if the person or band isn't highly motivated
you need the required willpower/personal magnetism
and/or extreme tenacity
seen people choke on fucking 35k+ units
with them ending up in cutout bins at record stores across the globe
destroying the label
small batch of tapes is completely another game with way less risk
primarily about documenting for posterity
Fuckbook/Retardit/BannedKampf has totally fucked up underground scene IMO
also with the exponential rate of human population
there are thousands and thousands of drone
you better find something that makes you unique
have your own very strategic battle plan for conquering humanity
your own vox & agenda is more than helpful
you must become "thee Art" with your entire essence
those are the basics
yet "What The Fuck" do eye Gno anyways

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by jliat » Thu May 03, 2018 1:36 am

As above trading tapes and such but any serious distribution is I find now a big problem. And also the down side is from my experience the “real” industry is full of crooks. Dutch East India (now bust) and Rough Trade took copies (100s) and never paid a penny. Amounting to over a grand in the case of Rough Trade, and they always asked for invoices, but never paid. I think unless you are a “Name” collectors in noise are very few... lots of “ARTISTS”... try Lathe Cuts as they seem a better bet. But to add to the Band Camp Sound Cloud problem – world shipping rates are now very high.

You might also sell stuff at gigs. And try the various events held @ art galleries and colleges... good luck!

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Re: Looking for a label

Post by melkobukva » Thu May 03, 2018 4:56 am

WhiteWarlock wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 5:58 pm
the answer is distro networks & promo skills for pushing "product"
you are relying on other more skilled people getting you exposure
That's more or less how I imagined it, thanks! Anyone can dub 100 tapes, but if you only have 10 friends, where do the remaining 90 go? :D

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