Does this still fall under the noise blanket

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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by WhiteWarlock » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:53 pm

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Thanks for the concept.
4 noise source generators
separate Volume/Panning
Static Injector for creating noise from waveforms
SVF Multimode Filter
CV noise injected into Filter Frequency
also external input F/C to SVF Freq
midi automated parameters
VST for generating extreme noise walls
or use it for complex noise source generator
instant HNW albums
went with original concept name
"VOMITRON"

http://www.n01ze.com/synthwizards/ARKIV ... ZEWALL.rar

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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 01, 2018 11:21 am

Revised final version now uploaded at same link... with... Extreme Mode
will probably make up some schematics for that
black plastic shopping bags not included

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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by melkobukva » Tue May 01, 2018 11:46 am

Just curious, do you apply anti-aliasing measures in your plugins? Oversampling, filtering, etc.

I wish everyone oversampled everything at least x8. Because screw people with old processors :twisted:

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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 01, 2018 11:55 am

yes on some...
yet not on Vomitron
most of the time attempt keeping CPU usage as low as possible
eye can always push it through real gear
you can throw that VST in oversampler wrapper
if so inclined
http://www.experimentalscene.com/software/antialias/
https://www.voxengo.com/forum/ar/1652/
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=168254
there's some options plus info for you on the subject

AntiAlias VST works by oversampling it's stereo input between a minimum of 2x and a maximum of 32x. After oversampling an FIR filter cuts out all harmonics over the Nyquist, and then it's downsampled again, producing a bandlimited signal. AntiAlias VST is a high quality mastering effect for the purpose of removing aliasing from it's input.
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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by melkobukva » Tue May 01, 2018 12:17 pm

That's a lot of info! Very interesting.

Got one of those wrappers, although never actually bothered to run it.

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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 01, 2018 12:28 pm

originally made Vomitron as inside joke
because it can instantly render out complete HNW records
without requiring any realtime recording
so it can make 60+ minute noise wall in whatever the render time is
yet of course it turned out way too good
actually somewhat useful
as midi automated sound sculpting flexible extreme noise source
oops
eye blame way too much korg35 ms20 experience

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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by Juboo » Fri May 04, 2018 4:45 pm

i understand that if u want it to be called noise then it is noise. i believe in that.
but at time it does annoyed me when a shit street d-beat band claimed themselves to play noise. same goes with other extreme genre out there like black metal and grindcore. i get the idea and philosophy.. those sound can in a way be considered as noise. it is noise. everything is noise. like fucking elvis was even noise. it does however felt like im being cheated when i thought i would listened to some unconventional shit but instead listened to a shitty rundown of Discharge. At least try to be 'out there'.
it felt a bit ironic though to limit noise into some sort of distinctive style. so i guess yeah.. what u do is noise i guess but personally though i would label it somewhere around ambient genre (or post rock - it does has the appeal to it).

just my humble opinion.
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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by jliat » Sat May 05, 2018 12:42 am

You are quite right that people can use a term like noise for anything, and the meanings of words are never fixed. And that this can lead to the 'anything can be...' noise, art, whatever. At which point any meaning breaks down. Which is maybe what some want? But to have meaning you need difference. So in sound, noise has a meaning only if it is different... to what. Music, speech, information. Or its other meaning is 'a sound one doesn't like'.

A more recent definition is a word which typifies a certain sound of a genre in music. I think the OP's drone work is not in the latter terms 'noise'. But noise became trendy, so people like to use the term. Like they use 'experimental', where once it was experimenting with new ways of making music, and art was trying to be progressive like science.

And the ideas of convention were broken down, by art which was unconventional, so that the convention became to be unconventional! And the origins of that move goes back at least to Dada of the early 20th C. Being unconventional has been the artistic convention for over 100 years.

So noise qua noise was back in the 90s unconventional, but no longer is. However it (IMO) still has two factors which do make it different, in your sig, the ability to play is one. Its not needed. (despite the claims of hard work, practice and such) And from this there is no criteria for judgement using 'skill'. Secondly more than any other genre, audiences are irrelevant and almost non existent. This follows from the first. If I can download Audacity for free, use generate white noise, apply bass boost and get HNW, why should I pay to hear HNW.... other than to say i've seen the Rita or Vomir, or own the Merzbow box set.

And so we arrive at the deeply ironic state of people posting, asking how to get that sound that is so “original”... and maybe they don't get the irony of asking how to have an original thought... and worse some offer advice!

Wanting to make sounds that express oneself, that you like and that others like and admire – is called wanting to make music. Wanting to make sounds without any skill which express nothing, that you are not bothered about and no one else is either, is IMO noise.

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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by Juboo » Sat May 05, 2018 4:41 pm

jliat wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 12:42 am
If I can download Audacity for free, use generate white noise, apply bass boost and get HNW, why should I pay to hear HNW.... other than to say i've seen the Rita or Vomir, or own the Merzbow box set.
hell yeah! had think about this as well
jliat wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 12:42 am
Wanting to make sounds that express oneself, that you like and that others like and admire – is called wanting to make music. Wanting to make sounds without any skill which express nothing, that you are not bothered about and no one else is either, is IMO noise.
:chin: this is actually a nice way to label noise. pretty nice. in a way noise was categorized by intention rather than the shape of it. cool.
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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 08, 2018 6:36 am

maybe you can find some type of VST "wrapper" that will work on OSX
not putting the extra time sink in for making things "universally" compatible anymore
especially on something giving away for "free"
used to waste so much time and have multiple DAWs installed
make things for multiple Operating Systems
would prefer working on VST projects for few hours anymore rather than weeks or longer
my main concern any more is if it works for me
with my "system"
plus how it sounds & performs also does it achieve my original concept
anymore making something "universal" that works with all computer system & programs
may as well just make hardware pedal or module
yet obviously such things are not "free"
FYI also it's 32bit
64bit is no "sound quality" increase at all in any way shape or form
plus it will take 10 years for all my 32bit DSP/MIDI code getting updated/functional for 64bit if ever
personally have other things for accomplishing plus even though have one 64bit system
fucking hate using that machine for anything DSP audio or midi
or most anything besides as another web "dummy terminal"
or reading service manuals/schematics at the workbench
or watching bizarre movies with GF on gigantic polariod flat screen TV
yeah ranty tirade
not bitching at you
enraged over something else
my all time favorite delay pedal Digitech PDS 1002 stopped passing signal
hadn't used it in years plus it was covered in thick layer of dust
cleaned it off plugged in and was going to use it for recording yesterday
troubleshooting
going over schematic now
looking for specific IC that should have on hand as extra inentory

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Re: Does this still fall under the noise blanket

Post by WhiteWarlock » Tue May 08, 2018 12:15 pm

BTW these are "noise blankets" in my world
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really wish had space for them here around drum kit
my baffles went for making vox/isolation booth
seems more like you are just trying to get more listens/hits for your "melodic ambient" tracks
plus some more traffic for your BannedKampf page
actually sort of funny
since you have made "noise" tracks as Mount Kuma
BTW if it fell "under the noise blanket"
it would be muffled and have no high end at all :P

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